Is Socialism inevitable?

[Elegiac]

I'll be in Ballard tomorrow and you'll never even know who I was.

I live and work on the East Side brah.

[Wells]

Since I have no knowledge of Seattle geography, I can safely say that isn't my experience. And my theory can afford to write down the distribution time to delivery because it's effectively nonexistent in mine: Two vans servicing four stores in a 12 block radius isn't quite a zero-time investment, but it's close, so even if I were using big wheelers to ferry food around the traffic burden is small. Yours on the other hand implies an hour's worth of travel time in the city to complete the route and leave, which puts stress on the entry/exit points of the city, which are already bottlenecks.

Putting distribution networks along major access points is simply way less effort than moving the same amount of material across core urban arterials.

[Moratori]

Socialism is good. I don't know where the hate comes from. It's always people picturing how to cheat the system. But theres ways to make it tighter.

People cheating the system costs more to chase than just letting them do so...

[Wells]

I live and work on the East Side brah.

Bellevue is like this weird overly sanitary version of Seattle and I find it unpleasant.

and it doesn't matter how long I live over here, the East Side will always be 509 to me.

[Super Kami Dende]

Pure Socialism is only inevitable in places where people aren't educated. Mostly because anyone that thinks a pure Socialist Country is viable or worthwhile are Idiots.

[Darth Vowrawn]

Russia and North Korea are 'the West' now.

The Eastern bloc countries being shitty was and is a function of them being autocratic.

Yes, and the "autocratic" thing was a result of them being Socialist. "Democratic Socialism" always devolves into either a Nationalist or Communist dictatorship, where the government owns the means of production.

Oh, and I chose not to follow the little "in the west" guideline, as it was pointless. There aren't any Socialist countries in "the west", haven't been since Plymouth and Jamestown, which makes your query impossible to answer. Course, I could throw in the National Socialist German Workers Party, as it was just a slightly different interpretation of Socialist thought and how to collectivize society around the "special group", just applied to race rather than economic class...

You're citing 16th century colonies as examples of failures for political philosophies that won't even exist for a couple hundred years.

Results and methodology were the same as a Socialist economy. Doesn't matter if it was yesterday or a thousand years ago. They operated like Socialist states, and had the same predictable results as their 20th century ancestors.

[Deleted]

People cheating the system costs more to chase than just letting them do so...

Still better for the economy to not have people begging on the street and have that money funneled back into the economy. Human lives matter more than money.

[Elegiac]

Yes, and the "autocratic" thing was a result of them being Socialist. "Democratic Socialism" always devolves into either a Nationalist or Communist dictatorship, where the government owns the means of production.

Oh, and I chose not to follow the little "in the west" guideline, as it was pointless. There aren't any Socialist countries in "the west", haven't been since Plymouth and Jamestown, which makes your query impossible to answer. Course, I could throw in the National Socialist German Workers Party, as it was just a slightly different interpretation of Socialist thought and how to collectivize society around the "special group", just applied to race rather than economic class...

No, I'm fairly sure the 'autocratic' thing was a result of them being autocratic.

You chose not to follow it because it disproves your bullshit hypothesis, I totally understand.

[yetgdhfgh]

I honestly think we are getting to point where socialism will be the only way our society can run.

I mean you ever thought how much food we waste? Ever been to a supermarket and wonder where all that food goes when its near its sell by date? Let me tell you it all goes in the bin.

And things are gonna get worse if it gets to a point where noone has jobs cause manufacture and distribution is all run by machines. Like i said we have driverless cars now how long do you think it will take before we have driverless lorries and trucks? It will get to a point where things are made, distributed and delivered all by machine but what will be the point if the end result is that it all ends in the landfill cause noone has jobs to buy it?

Lets be real we created this society cause it seemed to be the best solution to get what we want as humans and the things we need and if this system isnt fit of purpose then you better believe either by the ballot box or the barrel of a gun things will change!

[Nadiru]

Putting distribution networks along major access points is simply way less effort than moving the same amount of material across core urban arterials.

My system obviates having to move through those core urban arterials in the first place. Not only do you have to get into the city you still have to complete the route. And in order to create an efficient logistics chain even from the 'burbs, you'll have to run big trucks instead of little vans. Big trucks having to go in, complete their circuit, and go out, and that circuit will necessarily be larger and longer, so more time spent double parked waiting for the stockers to unload.

Local distribution also eliminates a lot of the chance inherent in urban vehicle travel because there are fewer "moving parts," so to speak: Fewer traffic lights, less time spent on the street, etc.

[LilSaihah]

Lets be real we created this society cause it seemed to be the best solution to get what we want as humans need and if this system isnt fit of purpose then you better believe either by the ballot box or the barrel of a gun things will change!

Y'know, you could read the thread. This diatribe kinda seems disjointed.

[Darth Vowrawn]

No, I'm fairly sure the 'autocratic' thing was a result of them being autocratic.

You chose not to follow it because it disproves your bullshit hypothesis, I totally understand.

No, they were autocratic because it was only way to keep the free lootz machine going. Slave labor.

But, no, go on believing in your "brotherhood of man" and magical altruism bullshit! I'm sure you'll be fine eating boot leather and cannibalized corpses.

[Blobfish]

Socialism makes people lazy.

Why work for money when I can get it for nothing?
Or why go after a better well paying job, when I have to pay lots more taxes ?

In a quote from Margaret Thatcher : “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

[PosPosPos]

Socialism makes people lazy.

Why work for money when I can get it for nothing?
Or why go after better well paying job, when I have to pay lots more taxes ?

In a quote from Margaret Thatcher : “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

And so why do you live in and rely on society and societal infrastructure?

[Wells]

No, they were autocratic because it was only way to keep the free lootz machine going. Slave labor.

But, no, go on believing in your "brotherhood of man" and magical altruism bullshit! I'm sure you'll be fine eating boot leather and cannibalized corpses.

North Korea and Stalinist Russia being well known "free lootz machines"....

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Socialism makes people lazy.

Why work for money when I can get it for nothing?
Or why go after a better well paying job, when I have to pay lots more taxes ?

In a quote from Margaret Thatcher : “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

Socialist countries have employment-to-population ratios comparable with the rest of the world. Fuck, Iceland has the highest.

Turns out people like having jobs.

[yetgdhfgh]

Socialism makes people lazy.

Why work for money when I can get it for nothing?
Or why go after a better well paying job, when I have to pay lots more taxes ?

In a quote from Margaret Thatcher : “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

Why shouldnt we be lazy?

You only get one life in this world why should you kill yourself when you dont need too?

Isnt that the reason we invented machines?

We invented machines so to make our pointless one shot lives easier and trust me it will get to a point where machines run everything from manufacturer to distribution.

We invented the backscratcher FFS!

[LilSaihah]

Why shouldnt we be lazy?

Hard work strengthens the spirit!

[yetgdhfgh]

Hard work strengthens the spirit!

Spirit doesnt exist neither does the soul!

[Wells]

Why shouldnt we be lazy?

You only get one life in this world why should you kill yourself when you dont need too?

Isnt that the reason we invented machines?

We invented machines so to make our pointless one shot lives easier and trust me it will get to a point where machines run everything from manufacturer to distribution.

We invented the backscratcher FFS!

We need to divorce our ideas of work from industriousness. Humans love doing things. We hate doing menial shit to earn a mediocre existence.

[Darth Vowrawn]

North Korea and Stalinist Russia being well known "free lootz machines"....

Well, that was the "promise", anyway. And then they ran out of evil "bourgeoisie" to execute and steal from for the good of the "people", and had to force the prols to go to the communal factory or get cleansed via bullets from their "Comrades". They also got to subsist on scavenging and a massive black market from us "evil" Capitalist societies.