Waiter fired after asking Latinas for 'proof of residency' at upscale Huntington Beac

[Fojos]

I'm smoking the facts:
http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/201...-presence.html
https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/FI...IC_VERSION.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...awfully-crime/

Before you look at the Politifact one and go "Look, it's Mostly True instead of True!", I'll just point out the only reason they marked it as such was because they think it's easy to mix it up with illegal entry.

Basically, if you think that 'unlawful' equates to 'crime', then I'm a hardened criminal with my 5+ parking tickets. You better what out, you never know when I might park with my wheels turned the wrong way!

Yes, you are a criminal. This is ridiculous semantics. They are crimes even if the punishments are civil.

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Yawn - here we go again.

Yes, because taking a fairly straightforward story at face value instead of jumping to conclusions and immediately assuming it is a hoax for no reason demonstrates a clear lack of reason and lucidity.

Only a moron takes anything at face value. Good luck doing anything meaningful in life.

[Super Kami Dende]

A waiter makes a racist assumption and you call it a Non-story? Maybe that is why America has race relations issues that no other first world country does.

Good thing I'm not American then. makes it even less of a Non-story to me.

[Moratori]

Only a moron takes anything at face value. Good luck doing anything meaningful in life.

Why is it hard to believe that this actually happened?

[elaina]

He can't fathom that a racist person would work at an upscale restaurant, and would only come out of the closet as racist once Trump was elected.

A clear episode of cognitive dissonance. They can't deal with their ideology being so plainly and overtly manifested in the deplorable behaviors it obviously condones and fosters, because that might be cause for self reflection and is contrary to their shitty world view. And we can't have that, so therefore, clearly it's all just lies. FAKE NEWS. Sounds very familiar.

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Why is it hard to believe that this actually happened?

He's completely lacking context at this point - just wants to needlessly flame me.

[Garnier Fructis]

Yes, you are a criminal. This is ridiculous semantics. They are crimes even if the punishments are civil.

This isn't ridiculous semantics, and here's why.

This line of conversation started with you asking a question about whether or not the group's actions were illegal. You asked a legal question, and now you're complaining that legal distinctions are ridiculous semantics.

[Xargoth6634]

I really dislike people that screw up Yelp reviews with their politics. I'm trying to see if the food is good, not whether they're sufficiently pro-diversity for the tastes of people who have never eaten there.

Yep, I agree with this. If I see a restaurant has 2/5 stars or whatever, I'd like to know without having to dig that it's because the food/service/whatever sucks, not that one person had a bad experience there and started an internet campaign to ruin the place. Shame more people don't try to resolve situations like this like adults.

[Fojos]

This isn't ridiculous semantics, and here's why.

This line of conversation started with you asking a question about whether or not the group's actions were illegal. You asked a legal question, and now you're complaining that legal distinctions are ridiculous semantics.

They are (even in their definition it's illegal, just not punishable in a criminal court). They only matter in a court room. In everyday discourse you are a criminal if you commit civil violations. You're not allowed to help people park illegally either (or hinder people who try to fine them), even if the former act is not punishable in criminao court.

Again, they are illegal acts even if not punishable in criminal court.

[Xargoth6634]

the article forgets to mention that the reason the restaurant asks is because they offer a 15% discount to local residents who go to this restaurant. The waiter was just doing his job...it had nothing to do with latinas or their ethnicity.

also extreme bias as this is being strongly spearheaded by the Latina's point of view and very little from management.

If this were true, why wouldn't the restaurant come right out and say it rather than apologizing? Seems to me that it'd be a really simple way to deal with the situation and make the women look like retards who overreacted based on their own assumptions.

[Skroe]

Why, what's wrong with asking questions?

You're entirely correct. Living in a country where we can ask "papers please" of our fellow Americans is entirely within the spirit of what the founding fathers and generations of Americans fought for.

Speaking of which Satimy, can you please produce evidence of your American citizenship for us in the forum? I think we're entitled to it. We'll take a photo of your birth certificate.

What's wrong with asking questions?

[Fojos]

If this were true, why wouldn't the restaurant come right out and say it rather than apologizing? Seems to me that it'd be a really simple way to deal with the situation and make the women look like retards who overreacted based on their own assumptions.

The customer is always right. Do you really think defending themselves would help against hordes of social justice warriors who want retribution no matter what?

[Garnier Fructis]

They are (even in their definition it's illegal, just not punishable in a criminal court). They only matter in a court room. In everyday discourse you are a criminal if you commit civil violations.

I seriously, seriously doubt people classify traffic violations as criminal acts in everyday discourse. Where can I spot these by-the-book saints in the wild?

You're not allowed to help people park illegally either (or hinder people who try to fine them), even if the former act is not punishable in criminao court.

Again, they are illegal acts even if not punishable in criminal court.

I guess now is a good time to point out the other wrong thing with your original question, which is that advocating for the rights of illegal immigrants doesn't actually qualify as aiding illegal immigrants anyway. So if you're really intent on classifying people who overrun their parking meters by 5 minutes as criminals, then you still can't make a case that what the group is doing is illegal.

[Xargoth6634]

The customer is always right. Do you really think defending themselves would help against hordes of social justice warriors who want retribution no matter what?

Unfortunately, you're completely correct there.

[Bapestar]

They've got some porn where border patrol agents fuck latina girls. It's not too shabby.

He's not lying.

[Rooflesstoofless]

I live three blocks away from this Saint Marc place. Local residents get some decent discounts at several of the places around here (that list is way dated). If they mentioned they were from around the area I could see how being asked about your residency would come up and someone could decide to ride the trigger bus over a misunderstanding. If the waiter wasn't new s/he would have waited on countless numbers of tourists from Latin American countries on top of the large Hispanic population locally.

The Yelp witch hunt is more than a little sad.

[Darththeo]

How is it not illegal to ask people for money to help some losers commit criminal activities?

That is a terrible interpretation of the group.

[Spectral]

Why frame it this way? That's not how our law or constitution works. You should ask why things are illegal, not legal. Things are assumed to be legal unless sufficient evidence has been presented to make them illegal.

Interestingly enough, this has very little to do with legality at all. A company asking a question isn't generally illegal. It's more of an image issue.

I could ask you to donate funds to my "annoying needs a faster sports car" fund, and nothing about that is illegal, so some other organization asking a company to donate to something is similarly legal.

It's also not a crime to be in the country when you're not allowed to. It's only a crime to enter the country illegally.

I would have assumed that conspiring to aid people engaged in illegal activity was per se illegal. Apparently that's wrong - this surprises me a little! Certainly it's legal to campaign to change a given law, but I'm surprised you can just openly aid people engaged in the breaking of laws. I guess it depends on whether they're just advocating or actually providing direct aid.

I didn't use the word "crime". People are just projecting that onto my post because they're used to making pat, talking point arguments.

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Are organizations advocating for prisoner's rights abetting legal activity?

Nope. This is probably the best way to explain it - makes sense, thanks.

[Valerossi]

I'm amazed nobody yet has pointed out the obvious response to this waiter's question( if it happened like it was reported in the OP ). When asked, I would insist to first see the waiter' s ID to make sure HE was in the US legally and then require to see the back of kitchen staff's green cards/ documentation. Being California , preeeetttyyy good chance one of the dishwashers or bussers may have a problem with that requirement.

[Docturphil]

Why, what's wrong with asking questions?

How would you feel in that situation? It's entirely inappropriate for them to ask that. It's extremely rude and disrespectful.

[satimy]

How would you feel in that situation? It's entirely inappropriate for them to ask that. It's extremely rude and disrespectful.

If I was in Mexico and the bartender asked me where I was from I don't think I would care

[Matchles]

Why, what's wrong with asking questions?

Does it fucking matter? Are tourists suddenly not allowed to eat at a restaurant?