Trump pressures 'sanctuary cities' that won't hold undocumented immigrants

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For those saying that "illegals" pay the same taxes as non-illegals, AGREED. They pay the same type of taxes: sales tax, property tax, income tax, social security, medicare, etc. But the amount of taxes they pay very likely does NOT exceed the educational resources their illegal child(ren) use. According to BLS, Hispanics (as a group) have the lowest earnings. And while you could claim that the education would be the same regardless of the number of illegal children attending public schools, I would claim that finite resources spread amongst fewer students = more teachers per student and/or more educational materials for those here legally.

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For those saying that "illegals" pay the same taxes as non-illegals, AGREED. They pay the same type of taxes: sales tax, property tax, income tax, social security, medicare, etc. But the amount of taxes they pay very likely does NOT exceed the educational resources their illegal child(ren) use. According to BLS, Hispanics (as a group) have the lowest earnings. And while you could claim that the education would be the same regardless of the number of illegal children attending public schools, I would claim that finite resources spread amongst fewer students = more teachers per student and/or more educational materials for those here legally.

When I went to school we had about 15-20 kids per classroom.

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The issues aren't color of the skin - that does not matter. The issue is culture, period.

Which parts of Hispanic culture specifically are incompatible with American culture.

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For those saying that "illegals" pay the same taxes as non-illegals, AGREED. They pay the same type of taxes: sales tax, property tax, income tax, social security, medicare, etc. But the amount of taxes they pay very likely does NOT exceed the educational resources their illegal child(ren) use. According to BLS, Hispanics (as a group) have the lowest earnings. And while you could claim that the education would be the same regardless of the number of illegal children attending public schools, I would claim that finite resources spread amongst fewer students = more teachers per student and/or more educational materials for those here legally.

The resources are only finite because the states near the border have a nasty tendency to continually cut educational funding. Go figure.

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Which parts of Hispanic culture specifically are incompatible with American culture.

The culture that thinks it is perfectly fine to break into another country and then pass on that complete disregard for the law to their children. The culture that thinks that just because they have been here for years that they deserve a "pathway to citizenship", completely disregarding the millions that have become US citizens the correct and legal way. The culture that thinks it is fine to be deported and then turn right around and break into the USA once again.

The culture where it's "leaders" tell them it is perfectly fine to break the law and purchase false SSN numbers (identity theft) to work in the country - like California State Senate President Pro Tem Kevin De Léon:

Host Larry Mantle asked him: “… First of all, I just — I want to make sure I understand correctly: You don’t think purchasing a phony Social Security card and number should be a deportable offense?”

De Léon replied: “I don’t think so … the vast majority of immigrants — hard working immigrants — have done that. I can tell you I have family members specifically who came here as undocumented immigrants, and they did the same thing. That’s what you need to do to survive in this economy.”

http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/2017/02/01/54771/lawmakers-debate-making-california-a-sanctuary-sta/

Ya - I would say those attitudes are pretty fucking incompatible with American culture.

[Elegiac]

The culture that thinks it is perfectly fine to break into another country and then pass on that complete disregard for the law to their children. The culture that thinks that just because they have been here for years that they deserve a "pathway to citizenship", completely disregarding the millions that have become US citizens the correct and legal way. The culture that thinks it is fine to be deported and then turn right around and break into the USA once again.

Yeah, I'd ask the natives how they feel about those sorts of people.

Ya - I would say those attitudes are pretty fucking incompatible with American culture.

Those are incompatible with American law, not culture. Try again.

And as a naturalized citizen, I can assure you I don't give a fuck about illegal immigration.

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Derp

Don't you have an antifa protest to organize?

#Resist

[shimerra]

Kate Steinle is a pathetic anecdote? Am I reading that right?

Yes you are. You sad appeal to emotion illogical bastards. Don't mistake my actual knowledge and understanding of statistics and reality that most of the illegals who come here and indeed people in America are good law biding people who aren't going to go out and rob, rape, and murder their fellow citizens for your particular brand of denseness.

American's aren't special. People are people. And just like citizens most of the illegals are people who come here and just want to work, provide for their family, and be left alone to enjoy life without harming others. Trust me there's plenty of horrible incidents involving citizens to more than compensate for Kate Steinle incidents as much as you want to be a SJW and appeal to petty emotion ignoring the facts to pander to your ideology.

I consider the idiots who want this war on illegals immigrants the same as the idiots who argued for the war on drugs and got marijuana to be a schedule one drug or anti-vaccine and anti-gmo morons. They're all idiots doing their damnedest to set humanity back. The fact that you want to play on people's emotions to try and pain the outlier as the norm isn't my problem not should you inflict it on anyone else. And I can say that fully while still feeling the utmost sympathy for what happened to her which is something I doubt you'll be able to comprehend.

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American's aren't special.

Yes we are. Actually, we are exceptional.

But given your rhetoric I can see you are a sanctimonious and condescending individual that thinks he is so much more enlightened than us poor little cretins. You wouldn't be an alt account for Skroe, would you? No, I think not - his diatribes far outshine yours.

[shimerra]

LOL - the only one extrapolating is YOU, by assumption. You sound about as weak as that feckless fuck Jorge Ramos. "These are just minority incidents, nothing to see here. All of the other ILLEGAL LAW-BREAKING IMMIGRANTS are just law abiding people". The only thing pathetic is your attempt to justify your alt-left narrative.

No I'm not. Don't blame me for you providing multiple examples of your lack of logic, critical thinking, or any sense of irony and introspection.

I'm sorry I don't shit my pants like you do any time i see a brown person. Unlike you I acknowledge there are plenty of real threats that I don't need to manufacture new ones based on some non-existent right wing ideal. Illegal immigrants are so far down the list of threats to America that it's laughable that gullible tools like you buy the MSM bullshit that they're an evil stealing your job while automation robs you of everything. Congrats, you got got buy people looking to sell adspace no actually inform you of reality.

Yes we are. Actually, we are exceptional.

But given your rhetoric I can see you are a sanctimonious and condescending individual that thinks he is so much more enlightened than us poor little cretins. You wouldn't be an alt account for Skroe, would you? No, I think not - his diatribes far outshine yours.

Given your rhetoric I can see that I could spend a year trying to convince you 2+2=4 but your orwellian doublethink means if Trump or brietbart tell you 2+2=5 you cannot be convinced otherwise.


Humans are humans. Read guns germs and steel. Stop thinking you're some sort of Manifest destiny magic and realize you're not some magic breed of human being. Even if we're going by Americans you're definitely not anywhere near the ideal we'd uphold as the pinnacle of our civilization. The fact that idiots like you even associate yourself with the right is an insult to people who have the actual ability for self-intropsection and ideological consistency like skroe. I disagree with him in a lot of ways but unlike you he actually has a competent brain inbetween his skull while yours is a black hole of stupidity and confirmation bias.

Real American
My
Ass

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Doing god's work.

Leviticus 19:33-34
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Exodus 22:21
“You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 27:19
“‘Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’

Hebrews 13:2
Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Jeremiah 7:5-7
“For if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly execute justice one with another, if you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers forever."

Zechariah 7:9-10
“Thus says the Lord of hosts, Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another, do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.”

The list is really endless https://www.openbible.info/topics/immigration so please stop using religion to justify this dick move

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Humans are humans.

But some humans are better than others. ex. Tom Brady>Tony Romo

Sorry, I had to. LOL.

Now, here is your trophy for participating - even though it is evident you always come in LAST.

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I thought your country needed to be made great again? So much for exceptional.

Being great again=restoring pride in our country. Something Obama spent 8 years trying to destroy.

All Obama did was go around the world and apologize while telling folks at home "You didn't build that." Fucking worthless community organizer that lived his life off of political donations would think that.

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But some humans are better than others. ex. Tom Brady>Tony Romo

Sorry, I had to. LOL.

Now, here is your trophy for participating - even though it is evident you always come in LAST.

There's a little thing called the bell curve. Maybe once you get past kindergarten you'll hear about it. Tom Brady and Tomy Romo when judged based solely on athletic ability both fall in the tails of the bell curve. Since you're particularly thick I'll explain it to you. Most of us even if we're pretty good by the average standard, which is the top of the bell curve, suck compared to those two who are at the tails of the bell curve. The right side tail in this case. Let's ignore the fact that illegals utilize less services than citizens and have been shown to be a net positive to both native's income and aren't this horrible crime riddled blight you think they are. The overwhelming majority are just people who want a good life for their family. just like us. And you want to cut of America's nose to spite it's face to get rid of them because they scare you irrespective of their actual impact. To put it simply for you because you really need it put simply most Americans just like most Illegal Immigrants fall in the middle of the bell curve.


But fuck the central limit theorem and normal distribution you've got the magic answer as to life is the way it is.

Being great again=restoring pride in our country. Something Obama spent 8 years trying to destroy.

All Obama did was go around the world and apologize while telling folks at home "You didn't build that." Fucking worthless community organizer that lived his life off of political donations would think that.

So you support a man who is the literal definition of a keltocraptic oligrach who used daddy's money and the threat of law suit to extort small businesses. Apparently being a lying moron of a narcissist is making us great to you.

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[Noradin]

Yes we are. Actually, we are exceptional.

Exceptional, yes.

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please stop using religion to justify this dick move

I agree. I am an atheist. It is justified on it's own - no need to even bring "God" into it.

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There's a little thing called the bell curve. Maybe once you get past kindergarten you'll hear about it. Tom Brady and Tomy Romo .....

Charles Murray could have used you a few weeks ago, lol.

Seems you are ready to move onto Socialism 201. Good for you.

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Charles Murray could have used you a few weeks ago, lol.

Seems you are ready to move onto Socialism 201. Good for you.

And that's the problem with people like you and why you'll always be inferior. Anything that disagrees with you is evil/socialism/insert right wing propaganda term X. Unlike you who follows what his dogmatic leaders tell you is true I look at the data and form and even change my opinions based off that. You do it over whatever your god-kind Trump tells you is truth even if all the evidence contradicts it. I guarantee I've read more conservative economic thought than you've read books period with the works of von Mises and Von hayek etc.

What the shit do I know. Degree in economics and all that while you sit here pontificating your ignorance. You are the exact example of what's wrong with the right. A festering cess pool of idiocy and confirmation bias. People like @Skroe should be your ideal but instead you mock them and sweep them away because they don't buy into your huge pile of idiocy.

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What the shit do I know. Degree in economics and all that while you sit here pontificating your ignorance. You are the exact example of what's wrong with the right. A festering cess pool of idiocy and confirmation bias. People like @Skroe should be your ideal but instead you mock them and sweep them away because they don't buy into your huge pile of idiocy.

What the shit do you know? Not much, as far as I can tell.

I always find it hilarious when insecure people, such as yourself and Skroe, have to prop themselves up with their "education". It is the height of self-inflated ego. As I told Skroe, I have worked with so many people like him and yourself that always think they are the smartest person in the room but usually turn out not knowing their ass from a hole in the ground. Your sanctimony and condescension speaks volumes of your actual inadequacies and lack of any real intellect. You project your supposed intelligence by making baseless assumptions such as "Unlike you who follows what his dogmatic leaders tell you is true.....You do it over whatever your god-kind Trump tells you is truth even if all the evidence contradicts it..." and make some laughable statement to qualify your supposed intellect - " I guarantee I've read more conservative economic thought than you've read books period with the works of von Mises and Von hayek etc.".

You are nothing but a joke. You may be educated, but your are far from actually being smart.

Edit: After further discourse with you, and reflection, it is apparent that I actually insulted Skroe. You are not in his league.


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[shimerra]

What the shit do you know? Not much, as far as I can tell.

And if the world went by what you could tell we'd still be sitting with thumbs up our asses in caves fucking our relatives. The pointy stick would be an invention light years beyond your comprehension.

People like you use their ignorance and lack of attempt to learn as some sort of badge of honor. Like being the most stupid horse is what wins the race and the people who actually try and understand the world around them are mocked by you and your idiotic ilk. Rather than bring yourself up you bury yourself in a pile of intellectual shit and then mock the few who do try and educate themselves for doing so.

I don't need to prove myself to you. Doing so is a totally pointless exercise. God himself, or whatever approximation to him you choose, could come down and personally tell you you were an idiot and you still wouldn't believe him if Trump told you otherwise. You're a pathetic non-thinking sycophant. Nothing more. In regards to to one's capacity to debate you hold less potential than the shit I took. Because if I spent an hour screaming at it it would at least not prove itself to be more stupid while you'd constantly explore new ways to defend your bias no matter how large the pile of evidence proving you wrong got to be.

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And if the world went by what you could tell we'd still be sitting with thumbas up our asses in caves fucking our relatives.

Wow - now there is a reply steeped in intelligence and well reasoned thought. I can see you applied all of the knowledge you gained from Friedrich and Ludwig in that stunning display of your mastery of economics.

Please allow me to respond in kind....

Bye, Felicia.

BTW - you should try a Writing 101 course. Your sloppiness and inattention to detail betrays your supposed intellect and gives me pause about your economics ability. At least Skroe writes very well.

You that sloppy with numbers as well? LOL

[munkeyinorbit]

LOL. Wow, just wow.

What are you having a fit over? He is essentially right. Or do you prefer to pay more for your food. You know an illegal farmed that right?

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All I'm getting from this is that you're jealous of other people's higher education.

Well, given your level of discourse and comprehension, that is not surprising.