Trump pressures 'sanctuary cities' that won't hold undocumented immigrants

[munkeyinorbit]

Wow - now there is a reply steeped in intelligence and well reasoned thought. I can see you applied all of the knowledge you gained from Friedrich and Ludwig in that stunning display of your mastery of economics.

Please allow me to respond in kind....

Bye, Felicia.

BTW - you should try a Writing 101 course. Your sloppiness and inattention to detail betrays your supposed intellect and gives me pause about your economics ability. At least Skroe writes very well.

You that sloppy with numbers as well? LOL

OK professor calm down. This isn't a Writing 101 course here. It's the fucking Internets.

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OK professor calm down. This isn't a Writing 101 course here. It's the fucking Internets.

thanks for the laugh.

[shimerra]

Wow - now there is a reply steeped in intelligence and well reasoned thought. I can see you applied all of the knowledge you gained from Friedrich and Ludwig in that stunning display of your mastery of economics.

Please allow me to respond in kind....

Bye, Felicia.

BTW - you should try a Writing 101 course. Your sloppiness and inattention to detail betrays your supposed intellect and gives me pause about your economics ability. At least Skroe writes very well.

You that sloppy with numbers as well? LOL

It's all about content. Fancy wording does more to obfuscate meaning than clarify it. You are an idiot so wrapped up in your own bias's that literally anything that contradicts is immediately rejected as wrong/evil/socialist without the tiniest bit of introspection of second though. I could very easily use Shakespearean language to edify you as to exactly how horrendously stupid you are but it would be lost on you. And as shakespeare said brevity is the soul of wit. You are a moron. Trump could literally sodomize and then devour a 2 year old and you would still defend him. That is the extent to which you have demonstrated your brain washing. Your criticism of my economics ability is like a single cell bacteria giving me shit for advanced statistical proofs.


And that's why your type will eventually die out. Because unlike the rest of us rather than change your opinion based on new information you dig your heals in deeper. You assert that if only you were more stupid the world would conform to your beliefs. You insist that if only you're stupid enough reality will change to fit your ideals. And that's why you'll always be an a pesudo-conservative. A moron too stupid to even understand what he actually believes.

[Elegiac]

Don't you have an antifa protest to organize?

#Resist

So you can't dispute my points then? Good to know.

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It's all about content. Fancy wording does more to obfuscate meaning than clarify it. You are an idiot so wrapped up in your own bias's that literally anything that contradicts is immediately rejected as wrong/evil/socialist without the tiniest bit of introspection of second though. I could very easily use Shakespearean language to edify you as to exactly how horrendously stupid you are but it would be lost on you. And as shakespeare said brevity is the soul of wit. You are a moron. Trump could literally sodomize and then devour a 2 year old and you would still defend him. That is the extent to which you have demonstrated your brain washing. Your criticism of my economics ability is like a single cell bacteria giving me shit for advanced statistical proofs.


And that's why your type will eventually die out. Because unlike the rest of us rather than change your opinion based on new information you dig your heals in deeper. You assert that if only you were more stupid the world would conform to your beliefs. You insist that if only you're stupid enough reality will change to fit your ideals. And that's why you'll always be an a pesudo-conservative. A moron too stupid to even understand what he actually believes.

This, by far, has to be one of the most beautiful meltdowns I have seen by someone who has had their very existence shaken to the core by the election of President Donald J. Trump.

I will just let it stand on it's own.

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Trump could literally sodomize and then devour a 2 year old and you would still defend him.

One last thing - since you are convinced (bolstered by your self-inflated, condescending sanctimony) that I am bound by my dogmatic belief in Trump, I thought you may enjoy this. It affirms every single one of your assumptions (which are undoubtedly justified by your incredible level of education) and proves just how insightful and correct you are.

Things of that nature, which lets be clear, Russia has done in other European countries for years, are why this investigation matters. The sitting US President, and his advisers, cannot have traded away western security for an electoral assist, no matter the tangible effect of that assist.

I will agree with you 100%.

So you are in agreement that an investigation into if the Trump campaign on those grounds are valid? Because that is what this investigation is about. Comey made it emphatically clear it is NOT in their investigation's pervue (nor is it probably answerable at all), if Trump won because of Russia.

Rather if the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia, and there were deals of any sort, then a very serious crime was committed.

Absolutely. 100% agreement. I have no problem at all with the investigation.

LOL.

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Really at this point the thread is about bashing someone instead of talking about Trump. Can someone wake up the mods?

It's okay - they need to vent. Their world has been destroyed and they are having problems coping. They need to vent their pent up frustration at something/someone. Doesn't bother me at all. I am a big boy and, unlike some others, I don't have an ego that needs to be placated.

[Skroe]

It's okay - they need to vent. Their world has been destroyed and they are having problems coping. They need to vent their pent up frustration at something/someone. Doesn't bother me at all. I am a big boy and, unlike some others, I don't have an ego that needs to be placated.

Erm... we're winning.



Just saying...

Wrecking Donald Trump is a process.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0be71dcf6e972
(I know it's Huffpost, but Howard Fineman is an excellent journalist)

The Trump-Russia Story Has Only Just Begun (To Explode)
Not since Richard Nixon’s Watergate scandal has an investigative hearing made it so clear that a presidency was in serious legal peril.

WASHINGTON ― Let’s step back for a minute and consider again what we saw Monday in a hearing room of the U.S. House.

The director of the FBI, with the director of the National Security Agency agreeing at his side, in effect called the president of the United States a liar ― and, oh, by the way, the president’s 2016 campaign indeed is under investigation for allegedly having secretly teamed up with Russia to win the election.

After two months of Donald J. Trump’s presidency and more than a year of his campaign, our political senses are so dulled by tumult that we can barely recognize history when we see it. Make no mistake. Monday’s hearing was all but unprecedented.

Not since a White House aide named Alexander Butterfield told the Watergate committee in 1973 that President Richard Nixon had bugged his own Oval Office has an investigative hearing made it so clear that a presidency was in serious legal jeopardy.

Now we know for sure that, while no one “tapped” Trump’s phones, his campaign circle is in the gunsights of the FBI. The issue is whether Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose interference in the 2016 election is now an accepted fact, tried to rig the outcome with the knowledge or collusion of Team Trump.

Foreign countries have meddled in U.S. politics from the founding of the republic. At the dawn of the 19th century, France and Britain fought what amounted to a proxy war between U.S. allies of the two countries. France and Britain aided opposite sides in the Civil War. German interests spread propaganda here to try to keep America from fighting in World War I and World War II. And of course, the Soviet Union infested the State Department and other portions of the U.S. government during the Cold War.

But it is highly unlikely that a foreign government ever has been under investigation for direct ties to and direct ― and successful ― efforts to aid a presidential candidate, especially one now serving as president, and who has expressed such interest in better relations with the government under investigation.

While Democrats probed FBI Director James Comey and NSA Director Michael Rogers for evidence of links between Trump and Russia, Republicans sought to change the conversation by asking about leaks pertaining to Trump and Russia. Comey insisted he was concerned about the leaks, but seemed more eager to ominously deny comment on where the unauthorized disclosures were coming from.

If Team Trump is found to be complicit in any way, leading figures in the campaign and in the White House would indeed become targets of law enforcement. The White House and its minions will howl about “FAKE NEWS” ― the president did so via Twitter Monday morning ― but even Fox was covering the House hearing.

Which, in turn, means this story is just beginning. Here’s why:

• “The Community.” That’s the reverent term of art that Rogers and Comey used Monday to describe the alphabet soup of agencies that handle national security and investigations of breaches. As Rogers and Comey described it, the entire “community” regards Russia as perhaps the leading global “adversary” of the U.S. What the two men did not say ― but clearly believe ― is that the allegations about the campaign could lead to deeper questions about Trump’s global game plan ― and whether that plan, presuming he has one, is itself a threat to national security. “The Community” is not going to give in or give up.
• Wikileaks. The Community seethes at the mention of WikiLeaks, which Rogers and Comey said Russian hackers had used as a conduit for making compromising Democratic emails public. The Community wants to nail WikiLeaks, or a least make an example of forces who use it in this fashion.
• Ukraine. Putin’s invasion of Crimea, and his longtime strong-arming of Ukraine politics, is now coming with a price as what’s left of Ukrainian nationalism fights a rear-guard action ― not in Kiev so much as in Washington. It is more than possible that Putin has been too cute by half, because independent Ukrainian investigators have dug into the record of Trump associates such as former campaign manager Paul Manafort, and are feeding the results to the American media and American agencies. Can Putin shut them down altogether? The more attention this gets in the U.S., the harder that will be.
• FARA. It’s the Foreign Agent Registration Act, and judging from the opaque denials from Comey, it seems clear that the FBI is investigating violations of it by Manafort and by Michael Flynn, Trump’s former campaign adviser and, briefly, until he was ousted for lying about his Russia ties, national security adviser. Manafort worked with pro-Putin Ukrainians; Flynn took money from Russian television, effectively an arm of the Putin regime. White House spokesman Sean Spicer claimed Monday that Manafort had played a “limited” role in the campaign. That is a flat-out lie. Manafort ran the campaign from the spring of 2016 ― to the extent anyone could actually run it ― until after the GOP convention.
• The Squeeze. If and when FBI agents get Manafort or Flynn in their vise, they will climb up the chain by turning targets into witnesses. What do Manafort and Flynn know about, say, Trump and his dealings with Russia? Probably a lot. And that is where things could go next, depending on what the FBI really has.
• GOP. Republican leaders hate the Russia story, and they are not eager to push the line that it is a good thing to be in bed with Putin. You haven’t ― and won’t ― see Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Senate Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) getting in the way of the FBI freight train. They tend to agree that Russia is an enemy.
• Comey. In the 2016 election, Comey may well have helped Trump by announcing that he had revived an investigation of Hillary Clinton’s private emails. Having zigged in one direction, he is now zagging in the other, after the fact. He has more than six years left in his term, and is not likely to go anywhere anytime soon. He may be an umpire following one bad call with another, but he is not about to leave the field of play. And Comey made it clear Monday that he was speaking out with the approval of the Department of Justice – which means Attorney General Jeff Sessions. History buffs will hear the echoes of Watergate. Nixon sealed his own doom by demanding that Justice fire the man investigating him.

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Erm... we're winning.

Awww man...why you gotta start now when I was just getting ready to catch some zzzzzz's? :P

Battles =/= the war.

But your are right - we (America) are winning again...with DJT. lol!

[Skroe]

Awww man...why you gotta start now when I was just getting ready to catch some zzzzzz's? :P

Battles =/= the war.

But your are right - we (America) are winning again...with DJT. lol!

Well the war won't be over for some time.

What have I said since just after the election in November? Taking Trump down is going to take a couple of years at least. Anyone expecting Trump to be gone by July 4th is kidding themselves unless he figures he's had enough and wants his (crap) life back.

I expect it will be after the 2018 midterms. As I see it, today was essentially Day 1 of the End of Donald Trump. Around Day 250 (Thanksgiving 2017) I expect indictments of Paul Manafort, Carter Page, and potentially Roger Stone (I think Michael Flynn will be separate and later). Around day 450 (June 2018), the cloud of suspicion and will be so thick and Trump's ratings so low that he goes into the 2018 mid-terms a deadman walking.

I think in that election Democrats will be in striking distance of retaking the house. Will they retake it? Not sure. But it'll be close... far closer than today whichever the way. And Republicans will have an option: persuade Trump to not run for Re-election (when he'll be 74 years old) in 2020 or begin the process to remove him. I do not think Donald Trump will be President between 900 and 1000 days from today.

So yeah, these battles matter. Donald Trump's Presidency will not survive if he wracks up 900 days of losses like he's experienced in the past 60-ish.

[Gorgodeus]

You have a source or quote that says they only told them to hold brown people extra? Otherwise I would just assume you are trying to make something racist out of nowhere. It isn't their fault the majority of illegals happen to be from Mexico.

The number of illegal immigrants from Mexico has been steadily falling since 2007, while the number from other countries has been rising. More have been leaving the country than entering. Only 52% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico, currently.

[Machismo]

But they were arrested by LEOs because they committed assault and such. The locals release them, in many cases without further prosecution for the local/state laws they broke that got them arrested in the first place. Glad you're fine with people who should be in jail for the assault charges going free.

Then the locals were doing exactly what they do with every other criminal. They get a hearing, get a court date, and continue on. Perfect. If you want to bust them for assault, be my guest. ICE has no reason to be a part of that.

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That's like saying if you have someone squatting in your house that refuses to leave, and is eating you out of house and home. You don't have a squatter problem, you have an income problem if you can't afford to pay for anyone/everyone who enters your home and wants to eat your food and wear your cloths. A lot of states just can't afford to pay for all the people entering their homes against their will.

If a family just moved into your home against your will, would you have no problem supporting them and feeding them as long as they wanted to stay, or would you call the police to have them removed as trespassers. If you would try to get them removed, than you are pro immigration laws, and exporting illegal immigrants. you can only truly say that you are for sanctuary cities and open borders, an illegal immigration, if you would also be willing to support anyone who decided to live in your home as well. Otherwise it's basically a I'm fine if it's someone else home, someone else paying for them.

Now you are dealing with private property, which is completely different.

I never said stats or the federal government had to pay for a thing.

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Sorry, but the freedom to be here illegally was never guaranteed.

So, like I said, Trump hates freedom.

[Darththeo]

No, its actually the perfect analogy. Because just as he stated this squatter like illegal immigrants, is not paying their fair share. And you are expected to foot the bill. You really need to stop getting your facts from CNN. Because Illegal immigrants do not pay the same taxes we do.

You are right, they are paying more as they don't get all the same shit as citizens and legal aliens do. You really need to stop getting your facts from Fox News. Tell me, how does an illegal immigrant who buys property avoid paying property tax? Illegal immigrants paid under the table are no different that citizens who are. Illegal immigrants who aren't paid under the table pay income taxes. These aren't facts from CNN, these are actual facts.

[Soeroah]

I am a big boy and, unlike some others, I don't have an ego that needs to be placated.

If only we could say the same about the President, eh?

[Darththeo]

That is true, but for the majority of immigrants are too poor to afford property. Yes, they can even get a mortgage. But honestly with zero to little collateral, a mortgage to actually buy said property is out of their reach. Hell its out of a large number of legal Americans reach as well. So, yes. I am quite aware of that. But I'm also not blind enough to be told by CNN every illegal immigrant is paying property tax. Sales tax is unavoidable, but paying sales tax does not forgive you for paying state, city if applicable, federal, local, FICA. I'm sorry but you're just flat out neglecting where the government gets a huge portion of its income. As far as education, speaking from an educator's perspective I can tell you that is complete and utter BS. Without the extra load we would not be stretched so thin, teaching 7 classes of 30+ students. We barely have enough money to scrape by as it is. State counties cannot afford to hire enough teachers to educate the students we have due to lack of funding.

Illegal immigrants by large do not pay the same taxes as a legal citizen. That is complete and utter rubbish, sales tax and a small minority paying property tax is not making up for what we are expending.

I used that as a starting point, and conservatively halved the number of illegal students, the real number is above 4.4 million. This was to account for the students that would not be getting a full education here in the United States. I think it was a fair trade off considering I could have just thrown out a numberr with 4.4 million illegals calculated instead of 2 million. I haven't even factored in health care costs for illegal, that number will quickly rise.

See, heres your problem. You seem to misunderstand that state governments don't have to listen to the federal government. The president is not telling a random citizen, hey I'm going to need you to stop harboring illegal citizens. He is telling that to the governing body of said city. They are impeding the presidents enforcement of the law. You just can't accept that things aren't going your way, because in your delusional little world you don't like the current president because CNN told you he's a naughty boy. While in reality he is enforcing the law, and doing it within the boundaries of the constitution. Unlike the last president who saw it fit under his power to kill American citizens on foreign soil without due process.

Just because its decreasing means what? As you said, they aren't less of a problem. The strain on our government is not reducing. As stated the number of illegal immigrants in the school system is over 4.4 million. And yes, while all of them are not getting a full education a lot of them are. As i stated the average cost of a k-12 edu was about 100,000. Not sure where you got the number 705,600. As stated the number of Illegal immigrants in the USA k-12 system is greater than 4 million.

I did edit for sources, I guess you didn't see that ... here they are again.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/ed...upil-data.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ccf9d5a264a7
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372

There are only 50 million K to 2 students in the United States and you think that 4 million are illegal? You think 8 percent of our students are illegal immigrants? You really think that's correct? 1.4% of students are illegal immigrants. If you include US Citizens who have illegal immigrant parents, you get 8%... but that's a again, manipulating the data. Seriously, you can make the data say whatever the fuck you want it to. Again, even if you are 100% right on the numbers ... which you are not. Most of the money spent per student is fucking salary and benefits to the people working at the school. You need to explain how removing those students will reduce the cost to the teachers rather than just increase the spending per student.

You are aware that not all illegals are paid under the table? There are employers who take income taxes and in fact more illegals have income tax withheld. I am not blind enough to believe everything fox news say. 30 to 40 percent of illegal immigrants came here legally and may still be working under an invalid visa. Their employer may not know they aren't legally allowed to work but taxes are still paid.

This isn't from fucking CNN I get this from ... this is from my fucking job. I work for my state's Department of Labor in their Unemployment Insurance Division. I know for a fact that most (read NOT ALL) illegals pay taxes as I have seen their pay stubs, W2. So I ask you, should I believe what I have read and seen with my own eyes or believe someone parroting Fox News and other Conservative news sources that don't know what fact checking is. In fact, it is believe removing all illegals from the United States would actually cost the US economy money overall rather than save any. And a path to citizenship for non-violent illegal immigrants is believed to actually increase the economy.

Also, you fucking know property tax isn't just a house right? I don't fucking own a house, but I pay a property tax on the cars I have owned. I guess since I don't own a house I can't be paying my fair share either right? My grandmother who never own property, was a stay at home mother who only paid things like sales tax ... she must have been a leech on the system right? That's the extent of your logic.

Attempting to edit a link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.dd5736b85e8e

[yoma]

This is fantastic!! Accountability!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ties/99404732/



Here is to hoping that Trump revokes DACA and deports every single illegal immigrant in the USA.

No "pathway to citizenship" - ever.

*sigh* Every single person living in the US aside from, and I know this term is confusing, *Native* Americans, stems from an illegal immigrant. All of this blind hatred will only lead to more ulcers for you. Calm down.

[puzzling1]

The resources are only finite because the states near the border have a nasty tendency to continually cut educational funding. Go figure.

No, the resources are finite because there is only so much money to go around for things that people want from their government. And while I'm sure the Federal government has the ability to print out as many dollar bills as they want, I don't think that would be too good for the economy. Just ask Venezuela how they're doing.

That's a puzzling argument. So your problem is not with them contributing to taxation but rather with them being poor? I mean your argument is equally applicable to all poor legal residents, even more so since legal residents will have far superior access to welfare programs.

My comment about taxes was more a rebuttal to those putting forth the argument that since non-legals pay taxes, they must be afforded the same benefits as those who are here legally.
I don't have a problem with "poor" people. That term is all relative.
The US already has plenty of legal students who could use more help. There is quite a bit of disparity between ethnicities.

[Requimortem]

So, like I said, Trump hates freedom.

If that's what you consider "hating freedom" then I guess I hate freedom too.

[Pterodactylus]

Accountability!

You think a silly list is accountability? Life is easy when you are a deplorable.

[Machismo]

If that's what you consider "hating freedom" then I guess I hate freedom too.

I guess so... sad!

[Cthulhu 2020]

It seems we're fortunate that Trump is very dumb, but even moreso that his followers are.

1. If Trump wanted to be effective, rather than naming and shaming + empty threats (explained in 2), Trump could actually offer to provide these states with additional funding so that their law enforcement could do the job of the federal government. After all, these so called sanctuary cities aren't stopping the federal government from detaining and deporting anyone. They're just not using their own limited resources to do what is clearly the job of the federal government. States are more concerned with using what little resources they have on stopping actual criminals, people who are hurting others. Not some Mexicans who crossed an invisible line in the sand. And let's be clear here: I say Mexicans because while over half of all undocumented migrants in the states are of nationalities other than Mexican, it's the Mexicans that Trump and his crew of deplorable zealots are going after.

2. Trump can't make a unilateral decision to defund these states in any significant way. Any decision to drastically cut funding has to go through the senate and congress in a super majority vote, and I don't see that happening. They also can't halt the majority of funds anyway, since a huge portion of most state budgets they get from the fed are for programs like medicare, social security, entitlements, etc. Declaring that he's going to cut funding without going into any kind of specifics is a hilariously obvious empty threat, and the best part is his zealous cultists are falling for it, thinking it will actually do anything.