Gorsuch confirmation hearing.

[Allybeboba]

Also, there is no call to make this discussion vulgar. I spent many years in the Navy and the phrase cuss like a sailor is very valid. I could just as easily throw out many vulgar terms but they add nothing and only show your lack of vocabulary and maturity.

Oh my!!
A subject I can agree with!! I would like to add, maturity is not indicative of age.

[Zoranon]

Delay the confirmation of any cabinet position and judgeship until the President isn't under investigation with the FBI and our intelligence agencies.

And how are they going to do that? In case you have not noticed, they are in the minority. I would have thought Dems failure to stop cabinet appointees like DeVos was sufficient lesson.

[Daelak]

And how are they going to do that? In case you have not noticed, they are in the minority. I would have thought Dems failure to stop cabinet appointees like DeVos was sufficient lesson.

Bring republicans on board with the delay, it will hedge against Trump's declining approval rating and credibility.

[Zoranon]

Bring republicans on board with the delay, it will hedge against Trump's declining approval rating and credibility.

Once again how? What incentive is there for Reps to delay with Gorsuch and other nominees.

[Daelak]

Once again how? What incentive is there for Reps to delay with Gorsuch and other nominees.

The earlier they come out against the Trump Administration, the better off they will be when they run for re-election.

[Draco-Onis]

Bring republicans on board with the delay, it will hedge against Trump's declining approval rating and credibility.

Actually they don't even need to do that you need 60 votes for him to be confirmed which is why republicans are talking about the nuclear option. If all democrats make a stand against him he will not be confirmed unless the rules get changed.

[Zoranon]

The earlier they come out against the Trump Administration, the better off they will be when they run for re-election.

Thats ridiculous. Any senator that would help block Gorsuch would loose the next primary. In case you have not noticed, Gorsuch is very popular with conservatives.

[Kujako]

Actually they don't even need to do that you need 60 votes for him to be confirmed which is why republicans are talking about the nuclear option. If all democrats make a stand against him he will not be confirmed unless the rules get changed.

And the Republicans have already said they will change the rules to get him confirmed.

[Daelak]

Thats ridiculous. Any senator that would help block Gorsuch would loose the next primary. In case you have not noticed, Gorsuch is very popular with conservatives.

But it isn't about Gorsuch, it's about who nominated him. You don't lend credence to a belligerent and corrupt administration like Trump's. He should be held down until the investigation is complete, then proceed with the normal cabinet and judgeship confirmation process. Any senator who makes a principled stand this early against Trump, will definitely be in a leadership position once Trump resigns and Paul Ryan is the next in line to occupy the WH.

[Bullettime]

Bring republicans on board with the delay, it will hedge against Trump's declining approval rating and credibility.

Gorsuch isn't one that you'd see many, if any, Republicans step over the line for. Devos, Tillerson, and Pompeo had the most chances to be blocked. Gorsuch is extremely well respected among his base and for all intents and purposes does have the credentials for the position, Garland issue aside.

Trump nominating him isn't going to stop the GOP from getting their guy on the bench. They're willing to outright go nuclear even at the cost of the long term ramifications to get him on.

[Daelak]

Actually they don't even need to do that you need 60 votes for him to be confirmed which is why republicans are talking about the nuclear option. If all democrats make a stand against him he will not be confirmed unless the rules get changed.

Then let them change the rules, it will only ensure all senate republicans get pulled down with the Trump Administration's investigations.

[Draco-Onis]

And the Republicans have already said they will change the rules to get him confirmed.

I think democrats should force their hands, this partisan environment is not going away anytime soon. This change will come back to bite republicans in the butt eventually just like it did democrats when it came to cabinet confirmations.

[Zoranon]

But it isn't about Gorsuch, it's about who nominated him. You don't lend credence to a belligerent and corrupt administration like Trump's. He should be held down until the investigation is complete, then proceed with the normal cabinet and judgeship confirmation process. Any senator who makes a principled stand this early against Trump, will definitely be in a leadership position once Trump resigns and Paul Ryan is the next in line to occupy the WH.

You are wrong. Trump has about 90 % approval rate amongst Reps.

And if noone stepped forward on controversial people like Devos or Pompeo, what makes you think they will do it on the well liked Gorsuch.

[Daelak]

Gorsuch isn't one that you'd see many, if any, Republicans step over the line for. Devos, Tillerson, and Pompeo had the most chances to be blocked. Gorsuch is extremely well respected among his base and for all intents and purposes does have the credentials for the position, Garland issue aside.

Trump nominating him isn't going to stop the GOP from getting their guy on the bench. They're willing to outright go nuclear even at the cost of the long term ramifications to get him on.

The optics for the republicans will be horrible, denying the confirmation of one presidential administration for outright partisanship, to confirming a judge to the SC nominated by an administration that is under investigation for collusion with a hostile adversary.

[Bullettime]

I think democrats should force their hands, this partisan environment is not going away anytime soon. This change will come back to bite republicans in the butt eventually just like it did democrats when it came to cabinet confirmations.

Guaranteed that the GOP use the nuclear option to put Gorsuch up. With their healthcare abomination and the shitshow of a Trump presidency, it's pretty much assured that they lose big in 2020, possibly even starting in '18, unless Dems get themselves into a Russian scandal level mess of their own. They need/want to have as much longstanding effects passed as they can while they have the edge.

Invoking the nuclear option will definitely bite them in the ass when a Dem wins in the next election and has two seats to fill unless some medical emergency happens under Trump's presidency. But if they don't, they risk coming out with nothing and giving the Democrats more victories.

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The optics for the republicans will be horrible, denying the confirmation of one presidential administration for outright partisanship, to confirming a judge to the SC nominated by an administration that is under investigation for collusion with a hostile adversary.

And as others have stated, despite my personal opinions on the matter, if they didn't block Sessions, Devos, or Pompeo, they're not blocking Gorsuch. He's the only real victory that they have to look forward to and possibly the only one they get out of the entire Trump presidency.

[Daelak]

You are wrong. Trump has about 90 % approval rate amongst Reps.

And if noone stepped forward on controversial people like Devos or Pompeo, what makes you think they will do it on the well liked Gorsuch.

Then republican voters have been brainwashed by a cyber misinformation campaign so successful, Trump and The Kremlin are still in shock to how effective their attack was. I hope some republican senators will stand on principle and declare this president as illegitimate once the investigation is complete.

The FBI didn't go under oath before they were confirmed, and the public didn't know about Manafort's deep ties into Russian Oligarchs.

[Zoranon]

Then republican voters have been brainwashed by a cyber misinformation campaign so successful, Trump and The Kremlin are still in shock to how effective their attack was. I hope some republican senators will stand on principle and declare this president as illegitimate once the investigation is complete.

The FBI didn't go under oath before they were confirmed, and the public didn't know about Manafort's deep ties into Russian Oligarchs.

Your extreme bias is not helping you to see things clearly. So I will make this simple: Unless Gorsuch makes a huge mistake, he will be confirmed, no matter how much the far left rambles about Russians, stolen seat, corruption and whatever else.

[Daelak]

And as others have stated, despite my personal opinions on the matter, if they didn't block Sessions, Devos, or Pompeo, they're not blocking Gorsuch. He's the only real victory that they have to look forward to and possibly the only one they get out of the entire Trump presidency.

Then they deserve everything that is coming to them then. If their base is so far gone, then let them crater.

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Your extreme bias is not helping you to see things clearly. So I will make this simple: Unless Gorsuch makes a huge mistake, he will be confirmed, no matter how much the far left rambles about Russians, stolen seat, corruption and whatever else.

I'm not biased, it's the truth. The FBI, nor our intelligence agencies are far left. Acting as such just shows your own bias.

[Zoranon]

Then they deserve everything that is coming to them then. If their base is so far gone, then let them crater.

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I'm not biased, it's the truth. The FBI, nor our intelligence agencies are far left. Acting as such just shows your own bias.

You are not biased? That was a nice joke.

Anyway the confirmation hearing are not about Trump, they are about Gorsuch. Who is almost certainly getting confirmed.

[Bullettime]

Simply looking at it for the reality of the situation. I don't want Gorsuch. That seat belongs to Garland as far as I'm concerned and Trump nominating him puts a shadow over the whole thing. It doesn't change that he's more than qualified, well respected among his base, and is literally the only thing the GOP really have in their playbook that can get passed right now. They're not going to give up that victory, even if the process of getting him through bites them in the ass.