How long should a raid remain unnerfed?

[Banard]

The disparity between skill levels is too massive.

For something to be challenging to Method/Exorsus it is 100% impossible for most guilds.

So they tune high to start and nerf over time.

Not true. Far from it. There are better players then in these top guilds but just cant put the time into it as those people. The amount of time they spend in NH the first week equals what 90% of other guilds do in 2 months.

[Puri]

Blizzard has the exact statistic where people wipe and see what is hindering the progression, and then they react appropriately.

[Orangetai420]

If they hadn't tuned Mythic NH to 54 traits there would be no need, the AP gain would have naturally "nerfed" the raid as time went on.

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They should add another difficulty for raiders that want to raid without it being nerfed. Yeah you can nerf mythic but add "super mythic" that never gets touched until it's really broken.

This is what Mythic should be. We need fewer difficulties, not more.

[Flurryfang]

I would normally say, that mythic should never really be nerfed, but that only works if players are constantly getting stronger. Blizzard have kind of failed that with NH, since they felt forced to balance the bosses to people with very high item lvl and full 54 traits. They should set a bar, that you can get over. If you have 910 item lvl, you should really smash most bosses on mythic, but that should only be gainable after you have farmed mythic for some time.

If they just made it so that titanforge did not work for anything above 900, then things would be great. That should give mythic players a good reason to farm some mythic raiding and make it easier for devs to design the raid for raiders who does not have a high item lvl.

[Softbottom]

Mythic Nighthold should be nerfed when Tomb is released, not a second sooner. Tier Raids should last no longer than 6 months either.

[Bearshield]

I don't think raids should be nerfed at all. Back in the day, if you weren't good enough to finish content when it was current, you did the first couple bosses in the next one, got some more gear and went back and finished the last raid.

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Mythic Nighthold should be nerfed when Tomb is released, not a second sooner.

Why should mythic anything be nerfed? It's meant to be challenging. You don't miss out on anything by not doing mythic, and if you can't do mythic without it being nerfed, you're not likely planning on jumping straight into mythic in the next tier so what does it matter?

[Tharkkun]

It's been common practice to nerf raids since The Burning Crusade expansion. New content comes out and Blizzard wants you to finish the previous content so you can hop into the new stuff.

[Myztikrice]

Some encounters/phases aren't even playtested. It's foolish to say they should never be nerfed since they will never be perfect on release.

[ThrashMetalFtw]

It's been common practice to nerf raids since The Burning Crusade expansion. New content comes out and Blizzard wants you to finish the previous content so you can hop into the new stuff.

It's been common practice to nerf every raid by 30% in the prepatch leading up to the next expansion. Anything else, not so much. Mythic shouldn't be nerfed when the new tier is released, the new gear is a nerf in itself.

[TOM_RUS]

Should be nerfed right after last boss is killed at least once in the world.

[psiko74]

NH has only been out for 2 months?! seems like 6.

[Zan15]

Mythic Nighthold should be nerfed when Tomb is released, not a second sooner. Tier Raids should last no longer than 6 months either.

lol there would be 80% less guilds by the time it got released in what, june...or so....

some guilds are just not skilled enough to kill 4+, so realistically you hit a wall a few months in and what? ignore the problem and hope people keep subbing to farm 3 bosses?

do we really want a repeat of gore at the 4th boss??

[Myztikrice]

NH has only been out for 2 months?! seems like 6.

probably because you have to play 3x as much outside of raids now

[lolcats121]

Forever. If you can't handle it don't play it.

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[Riistov]

They should add another difficulty for raiders that want to raid without it being nerfed. Yeah you can nerf mythic but add "super mythic" that never gets touched until it's really broken.

There are too many difficulties already. Adding another one seems like overkill

[Fleckens]

lol there would be 80% less guilds by the time it got released in what, june...or so....

some guilds are just not skilled enough to kill 4+, so realistically you hit a wall a few months in and what? ignore the problem and hope people keep subbing to farm 3 bosses?

do we really want a repeat of gore at the 4th boss??

Yeah pretty much, especially this tier where it's not really possible to outgear it and even on farm bosses killspeeds haven't gone down much since the start of the raid, like krosus still dies in the last 30 sec most of the time, maybe last min if you have really good dps. Unlike other tiers where kill timers were often halved if not more than that at this point.

[Kapaya]

When the "Cutting edge" achievement is removed it should be nerfed. Seems a bit silly to call it that when it gets nerfed.

[Grym]

In my opinion raid should not be nerf until the next tier come out.

If you can only get to 6/13 when it was relevant, then that is where you should be stuck on. You will be able to kill the rest of the bosses when a new tier come out.

I would say:
Current Tier - no nerf
1 tier old - 20%
2 tier old - 50%

[Softbottom]

lol there would be 80% less guilds by the time it got released in what, june...or so....

some guilds are just not skilled enough to kill 4+, so realistically you hit a wall a few months in and what? ignore the problem and hope people keep subbing to farm 3 bosses?

do we really want a repeat of gore at the 4th boss??

If you can't beat the content after 6 months with acquisition of gear over that period of time you aren't skilled enough to be there; plain and simple.

[4dahorde]

They should add another difficulty for raiders that want to raid without it being nerfed. Yeah you can nerf mythic but add "super mythic" that never gets touched until it's really broken.

They have done this in the past. With an NPC that you could talk to and revert any nerfs to the raid via damage health numbers. You know how many people actually used it???? Likely NONE.

You people in these forums whine and bitch at some of the most rediculous things.