Mage legendaries...

[mrgreenthump]

Not really because the game essentially thinks I have 5 frost legendaries cause off all the utility ones, while in theory I have 0.

Yup, the new system only rewards those who were lucky enough to dodge all the bad non-spec legendaries.

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Yup, the new system only rewards those who were lucky enough to dodge all the bad non-spec legendaries.

Which is awesome for me, since my prydaz, sephuz, norgannon, belo'vir, freeze time combo means I have 5 awesome superstrong frost legendaries, rather than the 0 I have that I want

[Reforge]

The new system only rewards those who were lucky enough to dodge all the bad non-spec legendaries. (This effectively means that you have 0 legendaries for the other specs as long as you got lucky and dodged utility ones - means you will get 1-2 legendaries for your offspecs at a very quick pace compared to say your 3rd,4th,5th etc....

How is this a fair method of alleviating frustration?

The rich get richer and the poor stay poor.

[iky43210]

my mage just hit 110 and already got a shitty legendary

would it be better for me to not play until 7.2? since i think 2nd and 3rd have bad luck protection increased and i can target them?

[Ealyssa]

would it be better for me to not play until 7.2? since i think 2nd and 3rd have bad luck protection increased and i can target them?

That's not how "targeted" legendaries works. You just farm on top of what you do to an abysmal chance to get a legendary for a specific slot.
You'll still may drop a legendary in your raids/MM+/daily cache/PVP/etc.

So no, no point "avoiding" legendaries before 7.2

[D3athsting]

That's not how "targeted" legendaries works. You just farm on top of what you do to an abysmal chance to get a legendary for a specific slot.
You'll still may drop a legendary in your raids/MM+/daily cache/PVP/etc.

So no, no point "avoiding" legendaries before 7.2

iirc chances of getting leggys are the same for 3rd/4th and so on after getting first 2 (that are super easy)

[iky43210]

That's not how "targeted" legendaries works. You just farm on top of what you do to an abysmal chance to get a legendary for a specific slot.
You'll still may drop a legendary in your raids/MM+/daily cache/PVP/etc.

So no, no point "avoiding" legendaries before 7.2

Doesn't nethershard just drop off of normal and rare mobs? so I could actually just mindlessly grind those mobs for nethershard and target specific legendaries.

And I remember the first 3 legendary have a much higher chance to drop than 4+ (although every after 4th is equal in chance). Wouldn't it make sense to not do raids/dungeon for risk wasting getting shitty legendary when I can just target them in 7.2?

It seems like if I wasted the easy legendary chances I'd have to grind much harder later. I can also do the same for frost spec without risking getting neutral legendaries

[Fayenoor]

Legendaries in Order:

1) Sephuz
2) Fire Bracers (Thank god)

Now it starts becoming funny

3) Blink Chest
4) Prydaz

At this point the patch was near and I had Scorch Belt, DB Helm, BL Ring & Cloth utility boots left so let's take a guess

Ofc I won the 1/4 chance

5) Cloth Boots

Now the patch came and introduced to 2 new shitty legendaries

6) Fire Gloves

At this point I was 54 in all 3 speccs and kinda started to lose hope but after 2+ months off farming

7) Fire Belt

Finally having 2 good legendaries and realising fire is the worst ST specc in the game and every frostmage can outperform it with their eyes closed, so I figured since I have 2 good fire legendaries it's time to go frost and mayb be lucky for once.

8) Trinket

Think I'm honestly about to quit the game now, looking at so many mages changing speccs and constantly getting solid legendaries, or even having all DPS legendaries a specc has to offer this is just so dishearthening to keep playing.

I don't have BL Ring which is very good for Frost and ofc didn't get bracers or gloves to atleast try to swap over to frost.

Thanks blizzard for ruining the fun with your retarded system that rewards people with luck rather then people actually playing your game alot.

You are really literally better off rerolling a new mage at this point. Just go frost from the get go.

You have BiS Fire legendaries. So by any chance if Fire becomes the dominant spec later on, you can switch back. Getting gear is trivial. Getting the right legos is insane.

My Mage has the fire belt, cloth boots (Norgannon's). Switched to frost - rolled the cloth blink chest as first "frost" lego. I quit my mage.

Rerolled a resto druid - first two legos --> healing bracer and healing ring (close to BiS). Sticking to my druid for now.

Planning to level a second mage on the side and go full frost (which sucks since my main mage has been my main since Molten Core and is almost as old as the game itself).

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Or in NH on that one big non-elite trash pack between Trilliax and Spellblade. Fire is super good on that if living bomb goes off before the melee can reach them first. /eyeroll

See this is why "AoE" as a spec strength simply doesn't work. When is that ever really relevant? Sure you can use it to pad your DPS in some fights, but they'd go down just as quickly without you (sometimes - just as you described - they even do) so your core strength really adds nothing.

Meanwhile if there really IS one gimicky bossfight where strong and sustained AoE damage is actually valuable, all the other specs will simply spec into their AoE talents and do just as fine. Not like Fire Mages had a monopoly on AoE damage. Meanwhile Fire Mages have no option to sacrifice some AoE for solid ST damage. Unstable Magic is a joke. They could make it remove your ignite spreading and increase it's damage by a meaningful percent instead of the pitiful excuse of a ST talent it is but nooo, Blizzard's too fucking retarded to think of anything like that.
It's just ridiculously bad design.

[Rusken]

My Mage, who was my first 110 2 days after Legion's launch, got her first Legendary a couple days ago. From a Blingtron. Yep, a Blingtron. Done close to 100 dungeons since dinging, at least 2 LFR wings each week, and every emissary cache bar a few days I couldn't be bothered. It was the Time Warp ring so I'm pretty happy with it nonetheless, just felt like a huge kick in the groin to finally have that orange flash pop up from a fucking Blingtron.

[trm90]

See this is why "AoE" as a spec strength simply doesn't work. When is that ever really relevant? Sure you can use it to pad your DPS in some fights, but they'd go down just as quickly without you (sometimes - just as you described - they even do) so your core strength really adds nothing.

Meanwhile if there really IS one gimicky bossfight where strong and sustained AoE damage is actually valuable, all the other specs will simply spec into their AoE talents and do just as fine. Not like Fire Mages had a monopoly on AoE damage. Meanwhile Fire Mages have no option to sacrifice some AoE for solid ST damage. Unstable Magic is a joke. They could make it remove your ignite spreading and increase it's damage by a meaningful percent instead of the pitiful excuse of a ST talent it is but nooo, Blizzard's too fucking retarded to think of anything like that.
It's just ridiculously bad design.

I agree that being able to trade AoE for ST is a big problem. There just aren't enough fights where AoE is important enough to justify the niche of Fire and Arcane at the moment. It's especially bullshit when braindead-easy classes like Frost DKs, Fury Warriors, and Affliction Locks have huge ST dps, and good enough baseline AoE to handle any AoE necessary (or with one or two talent changes that don't stifle their ST).

ToS isn't shaping up to be an AoE heavy raid either, just loads more ST fights. This isn't sustainable, and if Blizz really want to push their philosophy of giving every class a niche, they need to heavily diversify their fights and allow AoE classes to actually feel like they matter.

[Orwell7]

I agree that being able to trade AoE for ST is a big problem. There just aren't enough fights where AoE is important enough to justify the niche of Fire and Arcane at the moment. It's especially bullshit when braindead-easy classes like Frost DKs, Fury Warriors, and Affliction Locks have huge ST dps, and good enough baseline AoE to handle any AoE necessary (or with one or two talent changes that don't stifle their ST).

ToS isn't shaping up to be an AoE heavy raid either, just loads more ST fights. This isn't sustainable, and if Blizz really want to push their philosophy of giving every class a niche, they need to heavily diversify their fights and allow AoE classes to actually feel like they matter.

The game in wotlk/cata/mop was all about knowing your class (and the fights!) to do your max dps. The rotations were much "harder" than now. Almost all specs had tools to react to most mechanics. Some were better, some were not, no problem.

In Legion (and starting with WoD) all that matters is gear. The rotations are simple, almost idiot-proof (and people still can't dps properly, heh). A much different skillset is needed to raid Mythic now: play games like Flappy Bird and you'll be good in WoW!
All binary mechanics - you dodge or you die. You cannot "emergency raid cd" now.
How can blizz make it harder for people with cat-like reflexes? They solved this by gear-gating. You cannot get into a raid and have gear funneled to you anymore. You have to constantly roll the dice, and eventually, you WILL get good items.

Just play what you like. Seriously. If you love Arcane, go for it! If you love the spec you will play it more, which means more gear will drop (loot casino yay!).
But if you hate fire and you barely get up to playing (despite greater performance), and even if your guild gives you the best items, you won't perform good with it, period.

One of the players in Exorsus fell in love with SURVIVAL! 99% of the community bashed Survival to hell and back on how useless and clunky the spec is. And there you go, world first.

[trm90]

The game in wotlk/cata/mop was all about knowing your class (and the fights!) to do your max dps. The rotations were much "harder" than now. Almost all specs had tools to react to most mechanics. Some were better, some were not, no problem.

In Legion (and starting with WoD) all that matters is gear. The rotations are simple, almost idiot-proof (and people still can't dps properly, heh). A much different skillset is needed to raid Mythic now: play games like Flappy Bird and you'll be good in WoW!
All binary mechanics - you dodge or you die. You cannot "emergency raid cd" now.
How can blizz make it harder for people with cat-like reflexes? They solved this by gear-gating. You cannot get into a raid and have gear funneled to you anymore. You have to constantly roll the dice, and eventually, you WILL get good items.

Just play what you like. Seriously. If you love Arcane, go for it! If you love the spec you will play it more, which means more gear will drop (loot casino yay!).
But if you hate fire and you barely get up to playing (despite greater performance), and even if your guild gives you the best items, you won't perform good with it, period.

One of the players in Exorsus fell in love with SURVIVAL! 99% of the community bashed Survival to hell and back on how useless and clunky the spec is. And there you go, world first.

Oh I definitely agree with you and think you are right - I am a strong proponent of people playing what they find fun and having the confidence to try to play a spec to its fullest potential. There are thousands of unsung heroes killing the Mythic meters on Arcane, Outlaw, Destro, Elemental, Balance etc as we speak, even successfully experimenting with niche talents (like you sometimes see in the top rankings), and keeping the spec afloat. Meanwhile most players understandably don't want to gamble or spend time experimenting with a statistically weaker spec.

My main gripe with the Blizzard's ideas of niches is that, even if the raw DPS gap between the best/worst specs is smaller than ever, you can't help but feel it's a little unfair when some classes can still do it all and balance patches take such a long time to come in. And ultimately, when I'm progressing on mythic Krosus with my guild and the difference in 75th percentiles for my spec and the top 10 specs is like 100k DPS, it's easy to start feeling nervous about keeping a raid spot.

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You are really literally better off rerolling a new mage at this point. Just go frost from the get go.

You have BiS Fire legendaries. So by any chance if Fire becomes the dominant spec later on, you can switch back. Getting gear is trivial. Getting the right legos is insane.

My Mage has the fire belt, cloth boots (Norgannon's). Switched to frost - rolled the cloth blink chest as first "frost" lego. I quit my mage.

Rerolled a resto druid - first two legos --> healing bracer and healing ring (close to BiS). Sticking to my druid for now.

Planning to level a second mage on the side and go full frost (which sucks since my main mage has been my main since Molten Core and is almost as old as the game itself).

That's the problem isn't it, I've played this mage since Vanilla, I have 4 characters since the very first week off this expansion.

The only char that has 2 good legendaries is my mage cause I've legit gotten every single bad one my specc has to offer. (Fire has DB helm & BL Ring left)

Making another alt mage would just be the same thing, getting 3 utility legendaries in a row and all that time would have been spent for nothing.

I know mages that farmed equal then me (or even less) that have 11-12 legendaries while I only have 8 (Considering for the amount I farmed this is pretty low).

I know this legendary thing is about luck, but knowing ALOT of mages that play alot have gotten BiS for 2 speccs just makes this all very very sad.

[Imaskar]

My Mage, who was my first 110 2 days after Legion's launch, got her first Legendary a couple days ago. From a Blingtron. Yep, a Blingtron. Done close to 100 dungeons since dinging, at least 2 LFR wings each week, and every emissary cache bar a few days I couldn't be bothered. It was the Time Warp ring so I'm pretty happy with it nonetheless, just felt like a huge kick in the groin to finally have that orange flash pop up from a fucking Blingtron.

Well, seems that Blingtron really did bring you some bling.

You are really literally better off rerolling a new mage at this point. Just go frost from the get go.

Planning to level a second mage on the side and go full frost (which sucks since my main mage has been my main since Molten Core and is almost as old as the game itself).

No, no point in doing that. You just increase your chances to get what you don't want. The difference in leg chance between 1,2 and others is not as big as leveling a new char. But on one char you eventually get the desired leg. While on a fresh char you may roll that juicy belovir infinite amount of times.

I know this legendary thing is about luck, but knowing ALOT of mages that play alot have gotten BiS for 2 speccs just makes this all very very sad.

A warrior in my guild got 2 bis ST and 2 bis aoe legs as his first 4. Then he said he wanted prydaz for his tank offspec and got it next.

[Fayenoor]

That's the problem isn't it, I've played this mage since Vanilla, I have 4 characters since the very first week off this expansion.

The only char that has 2 good legendaries is my mage cause I've legit gotten every single bad one my specc has to offer. (Fire has DB helm & BL Ring left)

Making another alt mage would just be the same thing, getting 3 utility legendaries in a row and all that time would have been spent for nothing.

I know mages that farmed equal then me (or even less) that have 11-12 legendaries while I only have 8 (Considering for the amount I farmed this is pretty low).

I know this legendary thing is about luck, but knowing ALOT of mages that play alot have gotten BiS for 2 speccs just makes this all very very sad.

Have you considered staying fire? Although frost dominates ST, there are some decent fire ST parses:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

I have no idea how and why this dude does so much DPS besides having pretty decent gear. But he seems to do very well as fire.

The legendary RNG game is very frustrating. I have considered quitting raiding for this expac altogether and just focusing on unlocking weapon skins on various alts. This is worse than Sunwell -- and I was a mage during Sunwell.

[Imaskar]

Have you considered staying fire? Although frost dominates ST, there are some decent fire ST parses:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

Not to dismiss his awesome results, but top classes do 1m dps on krosus. And he padded on adds in the end.

[Fayenoor]

Not to dismiss his awesome results, but top classes do 1m dps on krosus. And he padded on adds in the end.

Well, we are not a top class.
But frost mage is the top ST caster (way behind the melee as you pointed out. If you look at the boss damage alone, the top frost mage parse is around 865K and this fire mage did around 765K (boss damage only).

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...metric=bossdps

But then the question is a well played fire mage (with BiS legendaries belts and bracers) still behind a well played frost mage (with crappy legendaries) on ST.

To answer the question, here's a parse of a frost mage with Sephuz and Belovir--
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
So, even with utility legendaries this frost mage is doing 795K DPS (789K on boss) which is 100K more than the best fire mage parse.

That's how bad fire is. /sigh

TLDR -- if you are a fire mage with bad legendaries, you might as well go frost.

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and just focusing on unlocking weapon skins on various alts.

Isn't that really really sad, tho? When the game is so frustrating that you restrict yourself to a sidegame... it's like if Witcher's main story is so shit that you restrict yourself to grinding and a few selected sidequests.

Playing dress-up doll for the cheap price of ~1/4 triple A game a month.

[Imaskar]

Note, that frost is only top at the very top. If you'll look at the more reasonable ilvl and percentile range, it is only 3rd among casters on Krosus.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...=80&bracket=22