You know that in order to become a Muslim all you need to do is speaking the prayer formula and in order to get taught the basics you can just look up any online resource. One of the Rigby murderers was a former Christian who turned Muslim while in the UK. Even if you could profile every single one of them there are two kinds of terrorists with the latter becoming much more popular: a) the kind which gets trained and prepared and risks getting detected the longer his time of preparation, b) the kind that impromptu decides for himself to commit some attack disguised as criminal act and commit suicide by cop in order to still count as having martyred. Suffice to say both types attack run contrary to the teachings of mainstream Islam but it's the radical versions which suggests it's a-ok to hunt down infidels even if they are unarmed and innocent otherwise because being an infidel negates all innocence to them.
So how would you fight the latter? Unless we have real-time brainwave scanners with armed drones circling over everyone of them it is nigh impossible. That's why I say that the more populist movements clearly have their scapegoats and guilty people identified, however they have not identified their solutions. And that's not down to "liberalz" being "dumb as a barn door" but because there is no single and simple catch-all solution to this. The effective solutions target different areas at once and still there would be a chance left even if you have life-tired people running amok which was something that plagued Western societies for a while too and people went all "but we must ban videogames, must profile juveniles, make tougher laws, tougher punishments, tougher anything!". What helped? Well, I can't speak for all but in case of the more famous one in my state a single change of an education-related law helped.
I also must say there is some cynism in that people only care about skin colour, nationality and religion of the attackers these days but never of those of the victims. In fact: nobody cares for victims in the long run. The attackers will always be out-remembered.
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We can only hope that our politicians wake up at some point. Luckily it seems like they are starting to.
Thats why Tokyo, Seoul and other big cities doesnt have these types of attacks? Maybe because they havent invited garbage cultures, have you thought about that?
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Ever thought about NOT inviting those people until their own countries looks like ours? How naive can you be?
That doesn't mean they don't have to be alert and aware of it. Large cities and crowded areas will always be a primary target, get your head out of your arse. Even James Holmes who was white and not having anything related to a garbage culture or religion choose the area he did with a reason. More victims.
Looks like police have arrested 7 people so far who are connected to the attack.
https://www.apnews.com/85f352503e194...ck;-7-arrested
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Yes, how naive would it be to believe that this would be the solution. What if they were born here, were even of different faith or ideology before, then converted and radicalized themselves? You are reducing terrorists to immigrants coming from regions that adhere to a certain type of faith which would work if religion and ethnicity would be indivisible and there is a natural precondition to commit such acts.
Have you ever wondered why people whose parents say came from Nigeria, integrated well into society and established a social position never got around doing terrorist attacks whilst some people living in ghettos, being unemployed, loyal to the hateful preacher around the corner or that guy on the internet posting his videos, barely speaking the language ended up doing that?
What about that Christian convert who started buying into Islamist pamphlets and who ended up as ISIS fighter in the Middle East and who came back with grand plans but would not be detected as terrorist because he passed as native citizen? There are many ways to get down the path, locking out one group would probably not have that effect you were hoping for. You need to think outside the "immigrant == terrorists" box and see that anyone can become a terrorist at any point time given the motives and circumstances.
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If builders built houses the way programmers built programs,the first woodpecker to come along would destroy civilization. - Weinberg's 2nd law
He seeks them here, he seeks them there, he seeks those lupins everywhere!
What's funny is that, what, 4 people were killed in this terrorist attack that the entire world will report on. Same day, 4 people are shot dead in Minnesta due to a "family argument". And people will see this terrorist attack as another sign of the coming of the end of the Western world. Whereas 4 people shot dead in the US simply cause anyone and everyone can get their hands on a gun is just the price to pay for "freedom".
That's just par for the course, America is a country where people get shot and killed every day, since it's a country that gives out guns like cigarettes. It's always more surprising when someone gets shot and killed in the UK since a gun holder here had to go through illegal channels to get one.
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Attacker was British-born, known to security services.
Same old.
The crudeness of the attack suggests that ISIS network in the UK is limited. Our security services are overstreched so you can't watch everyone all the time, but mistakes are often made as well. Hell even the jihadis think our security is decent.
We don't face the same problems as the continent. For instance we have strict gun control laws and there isn't a significant illegal market. Whereas the continent is less safe because its easier to get a gun. There is a massive market for illegal guns in Belgium for instance. Thats why this guy used a knife, most of the attacks in the west have involved attackers using weapons that are easy to obtain relatively to them and the location tends to be within hours of where they live.
Most of these 'lone wolves' actually have networks, hence the arrests.
The problem is that there a world of data you can analyse but the must important is still human interaction with security services. Attacks intend to signal what they are going to do to relatives/friends before they do it. Most attacks are stopped when someone dobs them in. Thats the silver bullet not mass surveillance. The security services only track people who are an imminent threat but jihadis are unpredictable so its hard to know who to look at.
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