BREAKING: Attack on British Parliament

[Kalis]

Was he thrown in prison?

He was sentenced to just over a year, not sure how much time he served though.

[Deleted]

Moaning about semantics for words which have different charged meanings in various schools of thought and/or more developed or expanded meanings in other languages. How is that productive?

Call it 'bigoted' then if that eases your mind.

It's not arguing semantics though to separate racism from dislike or criticism of religion. They're clearly very different.

[Kalis]

Moaning about semantics for words which have different charged meanings in various schools of thought and/or more developed or expanded meanings in other languages. How is that productive?

Call it 'bigoted' then if that eases your mind.

Except you have not shown that people talking about problems in Muslim communities is bigotry, yet you dismissed them as wankers, which is bigotry. People in glass houses...

[Deleted]

That is not what people are doing here. Don't pretend now either. Maybe you're focusing on different posts than I am, but I'm mostly seeing a lot of infracted posts in this thread.

14 posts out of 853, and some of those infractions are for flaming other users.

14 isn't a lot.

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As said, depends on through what lens you're looking at it.

No, it doesn't depend on that at all. Religion is very clearly different from something biological that you're born with and can't change that people target. One is a choice and a belief system, one is something that's caused by biology and not a choice or a belief system.

That's a pretty big difference.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I don't make assumptions, but I can see why people do, because I'm almost always confronted with the same facts about the people who do things like this.

What? That they were 50 year old men from Kent?

[Flarelaine]

It shows..

I see what you did there.

[Kalis]

That is not what people are doing here. Don't pretend now either. Maybe you're focusing on different posts than I am, but I'm mostly seeing a lot of infracted posts in this thread.

Infractions mean fuck all.

You criticised people for talking about Muslim communities, yet we have an issue with some Muslim communities and it is not a tiny proportion either. To say that you find it boring, does not mean that the issues should not be discussed.

[Flarelaine]

For example, Tony Benn, beloved of the British left wing, was anti-EU, as was current Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn - they see it as anti-working class, due to it favouring corporate interests.

As opposed to time-honoured Anglo-Saxon free market practices?

[Kalis]

As opposed to time-honoured Anglo-Saxon free market practices?

They are both die hard socialists. Tony Benn is so die hard that he died, that is how seriously he takes his politics.

[Flarelaine]

Ah some things never change, I see that Endus is still infracting posts purely because he does not like what is in them.

Religion bashing is and has been against the rules. That has not changed.

[Deleted]

There is a difference between "bringing up issues with muslim communities" and "the small minded racism that is expressed on this forum". (usually by east-europeans and americans)

I am a fan of Gregor Clegane aka the mountain now.

[Kalis]

Go right the fuck ahead and discuss issues with muslim communities.

It's a whole lot different from complaining about muslims or immigrants in general or making "religion of peace" comments.

It is a discussion forum. You do not just discuss issues with the groups involved, so why are you holding others to a different standard?

[Huehuecoyotl]

Infractions mean fuck all.

You criticised people for talking about Muslim communities, yet we have an issue with some Muslim communities and it is not a tiny proportion either. To say that you find it boring, does not mean that the issues should not be discussed.

Do a little thought experiment for me.

Imagine that the guy that did this attack was a white Christian. Just a regular person, born in Kent, lived in the country their entire life. If that had been the case, what would you be thinking now?

Would it be something like "I wonder what made that person carry out an attack like that. What could drive someone to decide at 52 to attack a group of innocent people like that?". You might want to know a bit more about the background of the person involved, to understand what took him on the journey from his birth in Kent to the place he found himself yesterday. To find out what caused it, so we can think about trying to stop it happening again.

But no. He was brown. He had a foreign name. Suddenly the fact he is British doesn't matter. All that matters is that we can point a finger at a whole group of people and say "you are the the problem, you're what's wrong". You stop looking for a reason, something that can be investigated. Something that, just maybe, can be fixed. Because who needs that when you have a scapegoat, right?

And the worst thing is, that attitude is precisely the one that will make the situation worse. Make more Muslim people feel excluded. Less human. Anything that increases the hatred on either side will make things worse. I honestly don't understand the logic behind that attitude. Don't you want to fix this? Or is it easier to just hate?

[Kalis]

Religion bashing is and has been against the rules. That has not changed.

Post #43 has no religion bashing in it.

[Deleted]

Like to point out that Nigel Farage is 52 and from Kent. Something should be done about 52 year olds from Kent coming up town. /buildawall

[ParanoiD84]

I bet the cocksucker Anjem Choudary will have a nice wank over this in prison.

[Flarelaine]

They are both die hard socialists. Tony Benn is so die hard that he died, that is how seriously he takes his politics.

Oh, I know them. I tried to imply I always have to laugh though when someone brings up reining in corporate interests as a reason for Brexit. The EU has way more regulation to keep corps in check than Britain or the US. (Not to mention more clout than the UK to enforce them.) There's no denying the mere existence of the EU serves corporate interests, but mostly through the unified market.

[Deleted]

it's a crying shame Theresa May didn't get shot, it would do the UK a huge favour getting rid of Thatcher 2.0 - in fact, I think that pretty much goes for the entire Conservative party.

youre probably too young to remember mrs T & are just trying to sound hip & trendy, as well as showing your out of touch, left wing values.
such ignorance.

[Puupi]

But no. He was brown. He had a foreign name. Suddenly the fact he is British doesn't matter. All that matters is that we can point a finger at a whole group of people and say "you are the the problem, you're what's wrong". You stop looking for a reason, something that can be investigated. Something that, just maybe, can be fixed. Because who needs that when you have a scapegoat, right?

No need to imagine the reason as we all know the reason and it starts with I and ends with M.

If he had shouted FUCK CHELSEA AND FUCK THE QUEEN when jumping the police officer we might be playing these mind games with you. But until such attack happens, there is no need.

Better yet, show me some terrorist attack conducted by a muslim that was found not to be religiously motivated at all? Sure there might be some, but I haven't come across any yet.

[Kalis]

Do a little thought experiment for me.

Imagine that the guy that did this attack was a white Christian. Just a regular person, born in Kent, lived in the country their entire life. If that had been the case, what would you be thinking now?

Would it be something like "I wonder what made that person carry out an attack like that. What could drive someone to decide at 52 to attack a group of innocent people like that?". You might want to know a bit more about the background of the person involved, to understand what took him on the journey from his birth in Kent to the place he found himself yesterday. To find out what caused it, so we can think about trying to stop it happening again.

But no. He was brown. He had a foreign name. Suddenly the fact he is British doesn't matter. All that matters is that we can point a finger at a whole group of people and say "you are the the problem, you're what's wrong". You stop looking for a reason, something that can be investigated. Something that, just maybe, can be fixed. Because who needs that when you have a scapegoat, right?

And the worst thing is, that attitude is precisely the one that will make the situation worse. Make more Muslim people feel excluded. Less human. Anything that increases the hatred on either side will make things worse. I honestly don't understand the logic behind that attitude. Don't you want to fix this? Or is it easier to just hate?

When people commit terrorism in the name of Islam, you do not really need to go looking far.

And what hate are you talking about? I do not hate Muslims, I have genuine reasons to not like Turks, yet I hold them up as the gold standard of Islamic integration in the UK.

A third of the Muslim community has failed to integrate into the UK, that is entirely their fault, not mine, not May, not Blair, not Ant & Dec. Stop trying to pass the buck.