‘Healthy’ obese still face higher heart disease risk

[Spectral]

Is it not my concern when a product becomes more expensive to me because of the choices of others?

It really is invidious. Not only am I obligated to cover the self-imposed medical costs of the obese, I also get to pay more for food in some ill conceived attempt to alter behavior.

The important thing is that it isn't fat shaming though

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I get a discount on my health insurance if I go to the gym four times per month. That's not a tax, really, but others probably pay more if they don't. Is that what you're talking about?

I am persistently irritated that health insurance loves going to the gym, but cares not a whit for the couple thousand miles of running or grabbing weights in the hotel.

At least they knock off $100 a year at a $20/race rate.

[Armakus]

In other news, water is wet and fire burns. Is anyone particularly surprised by this?

[belfpala]

I am persistently irritated that health insurance loves going to the gym, but cares not a whit for the couple thousand miles of running or grabbing weights in the hotel.

At least they knock off $100 a year at a $20/race rate.

Yeah. The last time I ran a workout app while I was working, I moved about 14km just doing my job.

I was going to edit my challenge above to make it easier. Since I posted that, I went up and down 76 steps, moved a few cases of things that weighed at least 50lbs each, and ate an apple. The easier part, if anyone is following as the challenge asked, I'm about to sit down and watch Netflix for a couple hours before I hit the sack.

[Spectral]

Yeah. The last time I ran a workout app while I was working, I moved about 14km just doing my job.

I was going to edit my challenge above to make it easier. Since I posted that, I went up and down 76 steps, moved a few cases of things that weighed at least 50lbs each, and ate an apple. The easier part, if anyone is following as the challenge asked, I'm about to sit down and watch Netflix for a couple hours before I hit the sack.

I remained sitting With a beer I've got big weekend mileage planned though!

[belfpala]

I remained sitting With a beer I've got big weekend mileage planned though!

Oh yeah... I have 4 pack of some killer local brew I'll take with me. There goes my waistline!

[Tiberria]

I mean, isn't a potential part of the problem that junk food is generally a lot more affordable than say organic fresh produce or fresh fish, etc? Some people are driven to an unhealthy diet or subsisting on crap like Kraft Dinner because they legitimately can not afford fresh, healthy food. If you want to push for government regulation, wouldn't a better approach be to ensure that buying healthier food is more affordable, through tax breaks or whatever? I think that looking at it from that perspective is going to be a more effective solution, because all that a junk food tax would do is probably drive more people to food banks and welfare programs, etc. A "fat tax" is highly likely to disproportionately punish the unemployed/working poor.

Is there any evidence that for example raising cigarette taxes has any impact on reducing the amount of people that smoke?

[meroko]

What are our politicians waiting for ?!!

You actually expect politicians to care about our lives?

[Floopa]

honestly past a certain bmi threshold these people should suffer death penalty-like consequences

they serve no purpose to society. they are a drain on public health resources. they are visually unpleasant. they force costs of clothing up because companies make XXXXXXXXL sizes to satisfy these fools. majority of them are unemployed because they are lazy and so drain taxpayer money.

a cull past a BMI of 40~ is something i'd fully support.

[Total Crica]

And what exactly are you going to do about fat people?

Come take away the food they paid for?

Refuse to allow them to pay to see a doctor?

Let them starve and rot on the side of the roads?

K. Good luck with that.

A bunch of huffing and puffing, but you wolves are just as weak as the piggies when it comes to action!

[belfpala]

If you want to push for government regulation, wouldn't a better approach be to ensure that buying healthier food is more affordable, through tax breaks or whatever? I think that looking at it from that perspective is going to be a more effective solution, because all that a junk food tax would do is probably drive more people to food banks and welfare programs, etc. A "fat tax" is highly likely to disproportionately punish the unemployed/working poor.

Where do you want your subsidies going, is the question.

Defining "healthy" food is not an easy task, either. I personally could do about 60% of my calories from carbs (probably do, I don't keep track), and the other 40% split between protein and greens. That's not "healthy" for everyone, but I burn a LOT of energy every day.

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And what exactly are you going to do about fat people?
!

Make doors smaller.

[Spectral]

Where do you want your subsidies going, is the question.

Defining "healthy" food is not an easy task, either.

Free leafy green shit for all!

I personally could do about 60% of my calories from carbs (probably do, I don't keep track), and the other 40% split between protein and greens. That's not "healthy" for everyone, but I burn a LOT of energy every day.

Yeah, same. I eat a lot of the proverbial "empty" carbs, which isn't something that's at all recommended if you're not doing something that's consistently burning glycogen and requiring it being replenished. There's so much variance though. People do better on different things, which is basically your point anyway. We could probably all stand to eat more salmon and green stuff, but aside from that, it's so individual.

[Total Crica]

Make doors smaller.

HAHA! At least you are actually using your brain, unlike the chronic complainers that don't do anything about their complaints!

Waste of air, that lot! And noise polluters to boot!

[plantation]

so do cigarette smokers. Where's your outrage about them?

Cigarette smokers don't make Facebook posts about how their lifestyle is healthy and should be accepted by everyone, then proceed to make fun of non-smokers.

[Elegiac]

Cigarette smokers don't make Facebook posts about how their lifestyle is healthy and should be accepted by everyone, then proceed to make fun of non-smokers.

Largely because second hand coronary heart disease is not a thing.

[Collegeguy]

Clearly we need to impose a tax on the obese.

Yes, yes we do.

[Elegiac]

Yes, yes we do.

You can have your fat tax as soon as we actually start putting FIRE people in jail for being shitheads that deprive people of their earnings and livelihoods.

[Total Crica]

Clearly we need to impose a tax on the obese.

They already pay more for everything they buy and do.

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You can have your fat tax as soon as we actually start putting FIRE people in jail for being shitheads that deprive people of their earnings and livelihoods.

what's a "fire people"?

[breadisfunny]

honestly past a certain bmi threshold these people should suffer death penalty-like consequences

they serve no purpose to society. they are a drain on public health resources. they are visually unpleasant. they force costs of clothing up because companies make XXXXXXXXL sizes to satisfy these fools. majority of them are unemployed because they are lazy and so drain taxpayer money.

a cull past a BMI of 40~ is something i'd fully support.

so you support mass murder? good to know. i'd argue that your something society can do without in that case.

[xChurch]

Government should work hard to encourage and facilitate people to losing weight, but under no circumstances should it ever force or even obligate people to lose it. Freedom comes with many costs, covering some people's poor habbits happens to be one of them as unfortunate as it is.

[Spectral]

Government should work hard to encourage and facilitate people to losing weight, but under no circumstances should it ever force or even obligate people to lose it. Freedom comes with many costs, covering some people's poor habbits happens to be one of them as unfortunate as it is.

I really don't see how extracting wealth from some people to pay for other people's bad habits is a pro-freedom policy. At best this is a net neutral.