Anyone know whats happening in Sweden?

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So you trust the news from the state as a right wing "swede" who wants to change his country to become immigrant free?

That is quite amusing.

Or do you just trust the arguments you cherry pick and take out of context?

I'm sorry, are you actually going to try and refute anything that I have posted or just keep moving goalposts and building strawmen?

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What are you even talking about? The research center doesn't publish any news, they publish data.

Well, you quote single statements from sources and take them out of context. You quote questionable news sources (mainly conservative / right wing media) and pretend to get a working argumentation that way.

As usual. But hey, just go on. I am sure someone will believe it.

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Well, you quote single statements from sources and take them out of context. You quote questionable news sources (mainly conservative / right wing media) and pretend to get a working argumentation that way.

As usual. But hey, just go on. I am sure someone will believe it.

You're aware that "right wing media" in sweden usually means liberal, yeah?

And no, I didn't quote any questionable news sources, DN is mainstream media. And no, I haven't quoted anything out of context.

"Dagens Media is a magazine and an Internet site that monitors advertising and media industry. Editor in chief and publisher 's Fredrik Svedjetun . CEO's Mathias Kallio ."

"Dagens Nyheter (Swedish pronunciation: [ˈdɑːɡɛns ²nyːˌheːtɛr] ( listen), lit. "today's news"), abbreviated DN, is a daily newspaper in Sweden. It is published in Stockholm and aspires to full national and international coverage.

Political alignment Independent liberal"

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Well, you quote single statements from sources and take them out of context. You quote questionable news sources (mainly conservative / right wing media) and pretend to get a working argumentation that way.

As usual. But hey, just go on. I am sure someone will believe it.

Literally everything I have linked have been state controlled research or state media. What the heck are you arguing against, exactly?

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Literally everything I have linked have been state controlled research or state media. What the heck are you arguing against, exactly?

BRÅ and SVT/SR are alt-right. /s

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BRÅ and SVT/SR are alt-right. /s

Mm, I mean doesn't mean I trust the government offhandedly, they aren't strangers to twisting the truth, but that is to be expected from politicians. However never would they twist the truth in a way that makes their own actions look bad, lol.

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Mm, I mean doesn't mean I trust the government offhandedly, they aren't strangers to twisting the truth, but that is to be expected from politicians. However never would they twist the truth in a way that makes their own actions look bad, lol.

Not to mention that SVT is quite famous for having an extremely disproportionate amount of journalists voting for Miljöpartiet. It's not particularly hard to imagine that SVT slants things, but slanting them to the right? Good luck with that argument.

Edit: In 2013, Miljöpartiet had support from 52% of the journalists at SVT, and from 54% of the journalists at SR. Among the general populace, the support was 12%.

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Not to mention that SVT is quite famous for having an extremely disproportionate amount of journalists voting for Miljöpartiet. It's not particularly hard to imagine that SVT slants things, but slanting them to the right? Good luck with that argument.

Edit: In 2013, Miljöpartiet had support from 52% of the journalists at SVT, and from 54% of the journalists at SR. Among the general populace, the support was 12%.

Not at all hard to imagine that, nor that people have lost a ton of faith in the current government, with very high unemployment, rising poverty and by extension, rise in crime aswell as the BNP crashing during the social democratic government.

I don't think they will survive the next election.

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Hey, I like statistics. Could you clarify what you mean by that unemployment stat and aswell give us a source to those listed, please.



I'm not sure what you mean here, are you insinuating that over a doubling in certain crime rates isn't a cause of concern? Or are you refuting the reason why they have increased?

I'm saying that the truth is somewhere in the middle, as opposed to what the right is spouting. The fact that a refugee that had to leave their home out of desperation have difficulties settling in and/or being broken people can be figured out from common sense.

The right, in actuality can't and won't fix any of the problems. People think that if they vote SD these issues will miraculously go away because the politicians said so. They're going to need many, many years that they don't have. In actuality, they're just looking for power.

The West broke the middle east and now we have to take responsibility for helping them get back on their feet. We can go on and on about how the Right caused this with Bush's administration, but that won't solve it either. We need to help these people so that they can hopefully go back home one day. For every criminal there are plenty of innocent people who are just trying to survive and get by. Naturally we have to help prevent as many crimes as we can, but the solution isn't to shut them out.

It's our responsibility as humans to help.

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I was in a relationship with an arab immigrant back in school, it was nice and all until I learned what he and his friends and by extension the families thought about swedish women, that we're whores and then acting threatening towards me when the relationship ended because of that.

Being unsafe when going to do laundry when I lived in an area where a lot of arabs and africans moved in due to sexual harassment, never any problems before they moved there. Now most of the swedes have moved away from there because it wasn't even safe to do laundry alone as a woman. Left are the arabs and africans and some middle-aged or retired swedish men and now I live in an area which consists mostly of swedes, finns and a few thai women that's married to swedish or finnish men.

The strain on the healthcare, I work as a usk and they strain the system way more than swedes do, both with health problems and cultural conflicts arising due to their religion. Men that "brusar upp" because a swedish doctor try to shake hands with their wife when introducing themselves. People that performs/has performed FGM on their daughters. The amount who brings diseases here due to lack of vaccines.

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I don't even live in a suburb. The place I live in could probably be called a "bruksort".

All right, so you base your entire opinionon a relationship that went bad. I've had bad breakups too, relationships go bad all the time. You're trying to tie it to culture which is understandable, but it's wrong. The devorce rate in the country is 50% and people hate each other a lot of the time. Log on to Flashback and read all the sexism from right-wing Swedish men that hate women or the slut-shaming that goes on there. What happened to you has nothing to do with him or his family being arabic, sexism is wild even in the West.

By the way, the "Swedish girls are whores/easy/lösaktiga" is an international reputation Swedish girls have gotten because you have a tendency to travel abroad and bang like crazy. It's a phenomenon that emerged over the years and no, it won't go away any time soon.

And finally, if you support NMR you support criminals. If that's where your heart truly lies then nothing I say will help.

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It's our responsibility as humans to help.

No, it is not.

We do not have to "help" people who hate us by default. Importing huge numbers of people who have no cultural connection with us, and who come from a culture which is, mostly, incompatible with ours will eventually lead to violence and further segregration. The FOURTH generation of Turks in my country is still not integrated into our society, and, in fact, the fifth generation of Turks will likely be even less integrated.

I am not sure why people think it is a good idea to destabilize "our" countries by importing huge numbers of people who will never be and feel at home here, and who will never be compatible with our values and our way of life. The Islam is the polar opposite of the west in many ways, and in itself based on conquest.

I'd rather see all those young, strong men stay in the own countries so they can actually start (re)building them, instead of coming here for a life of crime, at the very bottom of our societies. If we want to see third world countries flourish, we should not deprive them of their work force and their brains.

But I bet your "solution" is to take it like a man.

The West broke the middle east

Sectarian wars have existed there for centuries, with the sunni/shiia conflict, almost as long as the inception of the Islam itself.

By the way, the "Swedish girls are whores/easy/lösaktiga" is an international reputation Swedish girls have gotten because you have a tendency to travel abroad and bang like crazy. It's a phenomenon that emerged over the years and no, it won't go away any time soon.

So, give them burqas, right?

right-wing Swedish

Such an easy scapegoat. Just the ignore present problems with immigrants by pointing to a barely existing faction of right-wing biggots. We call this a "jij bak" in my country.

And finally, if you support NMR you support criminals. If that's where your heart truly lies then nothing I say will help.

And there is the framing lefties are infamous for. It is the same as killing every discussion about problems with immigrants by stuffing your ears with your fingers and shouting RACISM!!!!11 from the top of your lungs. It does not help at all, is not constructive, and just makes you look like the many naive, dumb leftists that have shamed themselves before you.

I suggest you go and get a latte now, as I probably offended you somewhere.

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The West broke the middle east and now we have to take responsibility for helping them get back on their feet.

Do you hold Russia to the same high standard? Syria, Afganistan, Libyan and Yemen was Russia (USSR) client states with Russia (USSR) sponserd dictatorships?

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Pretty sure Sweden is doing just fine. What is this obsession everyone has with Sweden all of a sudden?

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I'm saying that the truth is somewhere in the middle, as opposed to what the right is spouting. The fact that a refugee that had to leave their home out of desperation have difficulties settling in and/or being broken people can be figured out from common sense.

The right, in actuality can't and won't fix any of the problems. People think that if they vote SD these issues will miraculously go away because the politicians said so. They're going to need many, many years that they don't have. In actuality, they're just looking for power.

The West broke the middle east and now we have to take responsibility for helping them get back on their feet. We can go on and on about how the Right caused this with Bush's administration, but that won't solve it either. We need to help these people so that they can hopefully go back home one day. For every criminal there are plenty of innocent people who are just trying to survive and get by. Naturally we have to help prevent as many crimes as we can, but the solution isn't to shut them out.

It's our responsibility as humans to help.

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All right, so you base your entire opinionon a relationship that went bad. I've had bad breakups too, relationships go bad all the time. You're trying to tie it to culture which is understandable, but it's wrong. The devorce rate in the country is 50% and people hate each other a lot of the time. Log on to Flashback and read all the sexism from right-wing Swedish men that hate women or the slut-shaming that goes on there. What happened to you has nothing to do with him or his family being arabic, sexism is wild even in the West.

By the way, the "Swedish girls are whores/easy/lösaktiga" is an international reputation Swedish girls have gotten because you have a tendency to travel abroad and bang like crazy. It's a phenomenon that emerged over the years and no, it won't go away any time soon.

And finally, if you support NMR you support criminals. If that's where your heart truly lies then nothing I say will help.

Fix the problems if you don't want me supporting nmr. Then again, you won't even admit that there are ptoblems so fat chance that you'd do that. I'll continue supporting those who want to fix the problems. You can Cry all you want about it but the far right are the only ones who actually acknowledge what people experience in their daily lives. You try to engage in retarded moral and cultural relativism instead.

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I'm saying that the truth is somewhere in the middle, as opposed to what the right is spouting. The fact that a refugee that had to leave their home out of desperation have difficulties settling in and/or being broken people can be figured out from common sense.

The right, in actuality can't and won't fix any of the problems. People think that if they vote SD these issues will miraculously go away because the politicians said so. They're going to need many, many years that they don't have. In actuality, they're just looking for power.

I never made the argument that refugees or immigration is correlated to crime, honestly ot's irrelevant, there are ao many ogher problems with immigration that are present than just a potential rise in crime.

With that prefix, I have mostly only made the argument that there has been a rise in crimes reported, displayed state backed facts in order to promote a factual discussion, because when someone says that "there is nothing going on", it's incredibly misleading, we have many social prolems that are eroding our society and in the long run the culture.

While I agree that SD are not equipped to deal with the problems we are currently facing, you are definately not doing yourself a service by talking down to your political opposition, you would help your own side immensly by listening (and believing) their experiences and counter their arguments with what facts you may have.

The West broke the middle east and now we have to take responsibility for helping them get back on their feet. We can go on and on about how the Right caused this with Bush's administration, but that won't solve it either. We need to help these people so that they can hopefully go back home one day. For every criminal there are plenty of innocent people who are just trying to survive and get by. Naturally we have to help prevent as many crimes as we can, but the solution isn't to shut them out.

It's our responsibility as humans to help.

While I believe in a communitive responsibility, thus the saying; it takes a village to raise a child.

I don't believe in a sort of a international collective white guilt for the events in the ME, I'll say that I am a socialist who voted for the current government and I did so to protect and uphold Swedish worker rights and to improve the Swedish working class. As it stands, I don't see how an open door immigration is at all a boon to Swedish workers.

Any case, sorry for any errors please remind me and I will correct them in post.

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The right, in actuality can't and won't fix any of the problems. People think that if they vote SD these issues will miraculously go away because the politicians said so. They're going to need many, many years that they don't have. In actuality, they're just looking for power.

While dumb left doesn't even acknowledge that there are problems, even when those problems come to stomp them in the face. People that vote dumb left think these issues don't exist because, when you look the other way, you don't see them.

open door immigration

Only works when the group that comes here isn't inherentely hostile and overly different, and wants to contribute to society. You can not just mix two different group of people and hope things will keep going well, without (sectarian) violence.

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Only works when the group that comes here isn't inherentely hostile and overly different, and wants to contribute to society. You can not just mix two different group of people and hope things will keep going well, without (sectarian) violence.

I don't think the working class has any real benefit to unhinged immigration, thee dillution and increased competition (and destruction of monopoly) outweighs any of the potential benefits as I see it and I think most people see it too, that's why the mainstream parties are going to lose to the biggest opposition party ever, come 2018.

As unfortunate as it may be to see a government around SD, it is what the social elite evidently wanted with their tactics.

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Mm, I mean doesn't mean I trust the government offhandedly, they aren't strangers to twisting the truth, but that is to be expected from politicians. However never would they twist the truth in a way that makes their own actions look bad, lol.

You mean like this?

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/ha...kaplan-fick-ga

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You mean like this?

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/ha...kaplan-fick-ga

They are being incredibly fair on her in that article though.

But hey, make stupid statements and I certainly hope hey get called out on it, though I gave up on what politicians say contra to what they do, long ago.

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Fix the problems if you don't want me supporting nmr. Then again, you won't even admit that there are ptoblems so fat chance that you'd do that. I'll continue supporting those who want to fix the problems. You can Cry all you want about it but the far right are the only ones who actually acknowledge what people experience in their daily lives. You try to engage in retarded moral and cultural relativism instead.

There is some irony in supporting a group which mostly consists of convicted criminals, a party who freely admits that a violent revolution with bloodshed is a must and that they want to implement a totalitarian state. It's seems like moral relativism to me if you support these kinds of people while at the same time condemning other groups of people because "they have the wrong skin color" or "they commit crimes for the wrong reasons".

Seriously, I hope you're just being hyperbolic here and don't actually support NMR because that would make you no better than ISIS-sympathizers.

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They are being incredibly fair on her in that article though.

But hey, make stupid statements and I certainly hope hey get called out on it, though I gave up on what politicians say contra to what they do, long ago.

Being fair is good. I hate sensationalist news media.

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I don't think the working class has any real benefit to unhinged immigration, thee dillution and increased competition (and destruction of monopoly) outweighs any of the potential benefits as I see it and I think most people see it too, that's why the mainstream parties are going to lose to the biggest opposition party ever, come 2018.

As unfortunate as it may be to see a government around SD, it is what the social elite evidently wanted with their tactics.

Which is also why the support for parties like the SD and the PVV have their biggest share among the working class. The working class directly has to deal and compete with immigrants, have them as neighbours etc etc.