Just when you thought it could not get worse. CBO report #2 out.

[Felya]

It's rather simple, actually. People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others.

But, not having healthcare, does harm others.

[schwarzkopf]

Why did you cut out my quote?

I frequently cut chunks of quotes to save space in responses.

[Machismo]

But, not having healthcare, does harm others.

How do you figure? I do not see how that specific action harms others.

[Felya]

And as I've said, my problem is not with insurance, it's forcing others into buying insurance.

Yes, to save lives of Americans. It's why you are forced to pay for cops and military...

[Mekh]

It's rather simple, actually. People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others.

So attempted murder is still fine?

[Jtbrig7390]

I said I was against being forced by the government to help, there is a distinction to be made.

Please, I'm totally chaotic neutral.

Go live on a island alone somewhere then. Because a society is suppose to help each other and its clearly u don't want that.

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It's rather simple, actually. People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others.

The government/tax payers not providing a healthcare system everyone can get into harms others.

Checkmate champ.

[Breccia]

You really think uninsured people cost 1.5 trillion a year?

The math is way more complicated than that. A single-payer system would completely change the dynamics of the game, it's not as simple as "pay for insurance for the uninsured".

Obviously, estimates vary based on source. Here's one example that lists savings in the four billion range over a decade, and here is another that lists savings at $1.1 trillion in the same time span.

[Jtbrig7390]

How do you figure? I do not see how that specific action harms others.

You get sick or cancer without Healthcare, lets see how well that works out for you.

[Felya]

How do you figure? I do not see how that specific action harms others.

Because healthcare doesn't work when the price is set individually, due to the nature of health. It becomes extortion. Healthcare is one of the most explicitly necessary programs for the welfare of Americans.

[schwarzkopf]

Yea maybe the kind of my you do after huffing ether for a month straight

Well - given you won't do the maths yourself...



US - AU system (AU has dual private government cover)..

US Spends $5031/person more than Australia.
US Population is around 320 million

320 million x $5031 = close to $1.6 trillion a year the US could save by adopting a sensible healthcare system.

[Wiyld]

It's rather simple, actually. People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others.

You are young...

This mindset sounds REALLY good until you actually understand how the world works and then you understand that statement is just incredibly naive and impossible. You hear a LOOOOT of young conservatives saying this....then years later they chuckle and admit it was silly.

[Machismo]

So attempted murder is still fine?

It depends on what the attempt was. If the attempts was to squish someone with their fingers from 20 feet away, then that's not very harmful. If it meant breaking into their home, and only shooting them in the shoulder... then you clearly see the difference.

[Mekh]

Go live on a island alone somewhere then. Because a society is suppose to help each other and its clearly u don't want that.

Well, he wants to reap the benefits of society without paying for the privilege. Put any number of his sort on an island together and you'll only find corpses one year later and maybe one survivor fat and feasted on human flesh.

[Machismo]

Go live on a island alone somewhere then. Because a society is suppose to help each other and its clearly u don't want that.

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The government/tax payers not providing a healthcare system everyone can get into harms others.

Checkmate champ.

No, I already have a house here, thanks.

[Felya]

Yea maybe the kind of my you do after huffing ether for a month straight

Isn't that the only you anyone can do?

[Machismo]

Go live on a island alone somewhere then. Because a society is suppose to help each other and its clearly u don't want that.

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The government/tax payers not providing a healthcare system everyone can get into harms others.

Checkmate champ.

Are you drunk? There is a system, it's simply not being paid for by others. No harm is caused. That's like saying I'm harming you if I don't buy you a fucking house.

[Mekh]

It depends on what the attempt was. If the attempts was to squish someone with their fingers from 20 feet away, then that's not very harmful. If it meant breaking into their home, and only shooting them in the shoulder... then you clearly see the difference.

Why not both? I could shoot at you from 20 feet away and miss. No harm done, right?

Please, indulge me. I want the chalk outlines of your imagined perfect place. So is saying "Hello!" by shooting over each others shoulder cool in Machismo-Land?

[Jtbrig7390]

No, I already have a house here, thanks.

Pick up and leave because u clearly don't like it here....

You don't get the "Freedoms" you want.

[Felya]

No, I already have a house here, thanks.

Yes, that doesn't change the fact that you not wanting to participate in the health of America, means your house is in the wrong location.

[Breccia]

Please, I'm totally chaotic neutral, maybe even chaotic good.

You cannot justify your listed statements on this very thread as any form of good. Good people help others. You're advocating exactly the opposite, with the exception of children. In particular, "The chaotic good character wants maximum freedom for everyone to find happiness and prosperity" which you are blatantly opposed to, by asking people who are already poor to pay even more money by virtue of repealing the ACA -- a major point of which was to reduce the cost of health care on poor people.

You are not just being selfish. You are being selfish to the point of wanting more money, in exchange for letting the sick and poor die. You'll struggle to even call that Chaotic Neutral, honestly.