Oklahoma lawmaker thinks rape can ‘bring beauty from ashes’

[Seani]

I mean, you have two choices: Pay for an abortion or pay for a child. I know which one is less expensive. If your personal morals prevent you from being that pragmatic, then you can be personally responsible for the financing of these unwanted children. Don't drag me down with you.

How can you further remove a person from personal responsibility? I don't have an obligation to support a person's life choices. If someone decides to have a child, it is completely their responsibility to be financially responsible for that child. If someone decides to help that is charity. You are under the assumption that someone is entitled to help, like I mentioned before. This is your world-view, I don't see how debating it will be helpful in creating any rational dialogue.

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Lol. Sanger is long dead, she has no influence on how PP works today. It's moot. You're beating on a literal dead horse.



To be fair, the viagra thing is insurance-related, not medical services...well, not directly. Birth control, is as far as I know, not covered on insurance. Why not? It'd help a great deal. I mean, unless you equate implantation prevention to baby seal clubbing...which I know some pro-lifers do... More readily available, and free for those who can't afford it, would cut down abortions. Same with proper education on how to use preventative measures. Fat chance of that with that Devos she-devil in charge of America's education now though...

Assuming that you're American. Since the OP is America related.

I'm assuming you mean Viagra is covered under Medicaid. I don't know if this means that the brand Viagra or the generic drug Sildenafil is available to patients under Medicaid with ED. Either way if you understand the Pharmaceutical market you can see how this is not necessarily a good thing. Competing ED drug manufacturers will have to charge a much higher cost to compete in the free market as either Viagra or Sildenafil will have automatic government contracts with pharmacies. Usually when we plan medicine like this it has a negative effect on the overall cost of healthcare in general. But it's all free right? Wrong, and this is why we don't vacation in Venezuela. We like to spend our time in countries that embrace Free Market Capitalism.

[Jun]

Lemme know when God's going to pay for that kid's shelter, clothing, education, food, etc. while providing the necessary love, care, and guidance children need.

Then I'll believe it's all "in the plan."

Hell, let's take this a step further.

If raping is God's way of advancing people further along their faith, then if I go stab someone or shoot them, that's just me executing God's will, right?

Totally fine. >_>'

Ranting aside, I'm genuinely curious how this man truly believes that something so horrible can be absolved by something he believes; not what the victim believes.

[Seani]

The child did not decide to be born, let alone to those parents. The choices you talk about were not made by them and they should not bear the weight of the consequences of those choices. Besides, it should be rather obvious that creating a permanent underclass of desperately impoverished people is likely not to lead anywhere good for society as a whole, given that such desperation will put them in a position where crime is a super reasonable choice.

The policy you support will only serve to enable people not to be self-reliant. You see this time after time in history, especially in Ancient Rome with devaluation of the Denarius when the Senate decided to provide the Roman populous with free grain. Crime was much much lower in the US before we implemented Social Programs like this that encouraged a lack of personal responsibility. Look at what has happened in Detroit, Cleveland, Flint, etc... these are all welfare cities that have become graveyards for prosperity.

[Anevers]

Wrong, and this is why we don't vacation in Venezuela. We like to spend our time in countries that embrace Free Market Capitalism.

LOL please stop it...your killing me.

Oh you are serious aren'tcha

Please what is this Free Market Capitalist State that you are referring to? Somalia right?

[Seani]

LOL please stop it...your killing me.

Oh you are serious aren'tcha

Please what is this Free Market Capitalist State that you are referring to? Somalia right?

I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at. Somalia? Are you on drugs right now?

[endersblade]

If I was a girl that got raped and got pregnant from it, I have half a mind to keep it. DNA test, find out who the father is, and go after his ass for maximum child support. Milk that fucker for all he's worth for 18 years. That's a hell of a lot harsher a punishment than the father spending a few years in jail.

[Halyon]

The policy you support will only serve to enable people not to be self-reliant. You see this time after time in history, especially in Ancient Rome with devaluation of the Denarius when the Senate decided to provide the Roman populous with free grain. Crime was much much lower in the US before we implemented Social Programs like this that encouraged a lack of personal responsibility. Look at what has happened in Detroit, Cleveland, Flint, etc... these are all welfare cities that have become graveyards for prosperity.

Paying for an abortion, with their own money, their own choice, is not being self-reliant? Ok. What is then. Having the kid and relying on someone else to take care of it for you through either government hand-outs or the adoption system? Or dare I say child support if daddy bailed?

[Anevers]

I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at. Somalia? Are you on drugs right now?

Only the prescribed ones; thanks Obama!

Again which "Free Market" Capitalist State that you are referring to?

[PosPosPos]

Put him in prison because he said something you didn't agree with?

Umm, no, because it's "god's plan".

[Seani]

Paying for an abortion, with their own money, their own choice, is not being self-reliant? Ok. What is then. Having the kid and relying on someone else to take care of it for you through either government hand-outs or the adoption system?

I'm not quite sure you have been following the conversation here. Planned Parenthood is a publicly funded Tax-exempt non profit. It is entirely payed for by tax dollars.

[Powerogue]

"This body wants to know, myself personally, whether you believe rape and incest are actually the will of God.”

Well obviously because he's in a position where he feels compelled to maintain his beliefs in the face of all contrary evidence. The chain of thought is quite simple.
1) god wills everything
2) rape happens
3) god wills rape
4) god is good
5) rape is good!

It's fundamentally insane and unethical, but there it is. We could tiptoe around the facts or call it out for what it is.

[Seani]

Only the prescribed ones; thanks Obama!

Again which "Free Market" Capitalist State that you are referring to?

I'm not sure I can have a discussion with you, I have no idea what you're talking about.

[PosPosPos]

I'm not sure I can have a discussion with you, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Well this is a funny coincidence, because everyone else who's remotely reasonable, don't understand what you are talking about.

[Deleted]

You're missing the point - the republicans want to preserve the traditional family unit at any cost, since it is the pillar of a healthy economy. One way to do this is to ensure that everyone that can be pregnant is pregnant, regardless of how it happens. This is why they hate abortions; babies stimulate capitalism like nothing else.

http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/.../16/id/638995/

A man works significantly harder when he does so to support someone besides himself, and the Right loves that.

This is absolutely true, it's why I'm very much against it other than for religious reasons.

[Seani]

Umm, no, because it's "god's plan".

The original poster said it would be funny if we put this House Republican in jail. Why would that be funny?

[PosPosPos]

You said it would be funny if we put this House Republican in jail. Why would that be funny?

I didn't it would be funny.

Point out where I said it would be funny.

[Seani]

More of this overly simplistic partisan babble. Flint and Detroit were both one industry cities that basically got annihilated when automotive companies realized they could do bigger and better things overseas.

Not overseas, but in Mexico. It would still cost more to ship cars overseas after having been manufactured in China or somewhere else. Also, the same thing happened in Houston, but they managed to diversify because of conservative economic policy.

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I didn't it would be funny.

Point out where I said it would be funny.

The original poster said it would be funny, I assumed it was you, I had since changed that.

[GennGreymane]

Not overseas, but in Mexico. It would still cost more to ship cars overseas after having been manufactured in China or somewhere else. Also, the same thing happened in Houston, but they managed to diversify because of conservative economic policy.

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The original poster said it would be funny, I assumed it was you, I had since changed that.

Original poster? Me? When did I say it would be funny?

[PosPosPos]

The original poster said it would be funny, I assumed it was you, I had since changed that.

Ok, so why ask me? Ask the "original poster". I only agreed with the part that it would be "God's plan".

[Anevers]

I'm not sure I can have a discussion with you, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I'll try again.

You said this:

Usually when we plan medicine like this it has a negative effect on the overall cost of healthcare in general. But it's all free right? Wrong, and this is why we don't vacation in Venezuela. We like to spend our time in countries that embrace Free Market Capitalism.

I am asking what countries are you speaking of. I'm not even sure you know what...you know what...never mind that train of thought. One question at a time.