Americans used to do the salute too.
Americans used to do the salute too.
Okay, 'can be used for evil' I never said it couldn't. And ofcourse you can and should look at history and learn from their examples, however the situation in the US (or anywhere for that matter) does not mirror the situation in the Nazi reich or the USSR.
So it's more or less irrelevant, you can't tell me that being loyal to YOUR country is a negative thing, because that means you are arguing that disloyalty is a positive thing, but I am assuming you are someone who likes the notion of a nation state and is not an anarchist.
Seems to me then that those kids would do it at home if they cared that much. The truth is nobody actually pledges allegiance to a flag outside of school. Nobody fucking wakes up and starts pledging to a flag unless they're insane or they have entirely too much time on their hands.
That shit has no place in schools, it's creepy to make a bunch of kids recite a pledge and it serves no purpose.
Luckily you actually can't be required to do it, me and most of my friends just sat through it. Waste of time and energy.
1. It shouldn't be graded if you recite it or not. It is important to love ones country. If you don't then why do you live wherever you are?
2. It's not discriminatory. Even judges agree with the stance and why "under god" has remained in the pledge of allegiance.
3. Having the freedoms you do in this country should be your reason to recite the pledge 100 million times and on your own. You don't seem to appreciate what you have, have never lived in another country or you aren't american? It's one of those reasons you'd start a thread like this.
4. So you are saying americans are nazis now? Wow that's original. Why do you hate america so much?
5. Well that's like just your opinion. You could also learn outside of class time also. Why does all of your education have to come during class time?
I graduated high school in 2012, but I remember especially in the last couple years a lot of students wouldn't say the pledge. There was even a problem with students standing for it, and they did a spiel on the morning announcements about how it was important. I just think that patriotism and American exceptionalism are highly criticized topics among millenials and gen y, so saying the pledge doesn't always reflect their true thoughts or perception of America. I personally agree with this, I think that the pledge was both superfluous and hard to stand behind.
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Because it would be fucking insane to stand there by yourself pledging to a flag, anyone doing that should be sectioned.
Also why have it at all and waste time? People who want to do it can do it without it being a school wide thing, do it at home, it's America every house has a flag on it for some unknown reason. They just hand them out with the purchase I guess. Except nobody would do it at home if they weren't told to ahead of time, because again, it'd be insane.
The most anyone can really compel is that you stand for it -- and simply being a civilized member in a human social setting is all that one would need to do that, the way you stand when a judge enters the court even if you think he might be a POS that's about to put a friend in jail or rule against your contract dispute; the way you might when the leader of a foreign nation enters a diplomatic function even if you care nothing for him or his country; the way you stand at a major sporting event for the national anthem even if you are going to keep looking at your phone.
The point was made that no one outside of school recites it. That is not true. It is recited in many other places and by students still in school. And your attitude is far worse than standing to make a pledge to the flag. :P Learn to be a little more tolerate of those who may disagree with you.
When I went to school no one really did the pledge.