I registered just to post in this thread, been reading for years but never posted. Today, my wife and I were in fact doing lfr, our first ever run of the Nighthold. We would be considered somewhere between casual and hardcore, been playing WoW since 2009 but never been big raiders, so lfr really can be our only way to see the story content. The added issue here with some of the things being said is, there are quest and reward requirements that need raiding and dungeons in this expansion that there is no way around, killing Guldan is a requirement for the mystic runesaber mount, our reason today for being in there. Reason I am posting, my wife apparently did 85k DPS, as a survival hunter, an off spec for her, and someone started to argue in chat that she was afk. she was not, in fact she was doing everything the guides said to do, and was the last one alive on that wipe. sometimes DPS numbers can be deceiving, saying that you should kick everyone under a certain dps number in lfr, like 150k for instance, obviously has flaws when players who are trying, and are doing what they are supposed to do, are not meeting that benchmark for one reason or another. In this case, I imagine it was the repositioning that takes place during that encounter. I have no idea why this warranted a response from me but, I had words with the person who went on and on about this and he was eventually kicked from the raid, no one was kicked for a level of DPS, but I think sometimes people need to remember there are different ways to love this game, and not everyone hits every benchmark, or should, to enjoy it