Japan & Germany >>>> China >> US in advanced industrial robot technology

[Skroe]

Are you talking about drones somehow doing industrial work? This is the last drone preview as far as I know.

That's more a demonstration of a small swarm doing a small trick. But it's the same principle.

You know Replicators from Stargate? That's the ambition, so to speak. A much more primitive state of something like that is where my research is.

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Obviously. China's entire budget goes into supporting their enourmous country so they don't have famine again like they did in times past. And America only cares about walls and highways with the republicans in charge, I'm actually suprised Trump didn't de-fund NASA yet considering these rednecks don't care about nor understand that sort of thing.

Trump doesn't have the balls to go after the Congressional NASA Consensus that also protected the agency from Obama's depredations.

There is no coincidence why NASA was one of the few federal science agencies to escape cuts in that fiction of a budget Trump dropped on us - Trump only went after the tiny education sub-department and some climate change programs. It's because taking on the Texas, Alabama, Maryland, Ohio, California and Florida delegations on NASA programs is a loser, and Trump... hell abstract President X of any political party, will lose.

Fans of NASA should celebrate. Today in 2016, NASA's budget is one of the more expensive things Democrats and Republicans DO have a big consensus on. Trump's vision for NASA doesn't matter anymore than Obama's. NASA has been effectively taken over by Congress.

[Shelly]

Obviously. China's entire budget goes into supporting their enourmous country so they don't have famine again like they did in times past. And America only cares about walls and highways with the republicans in charge, I'm actually suprised Trump didn't de-fund NASA yet considering these rednecks don't care about nor understand that sort of thing.

NASA falls under the broad military industrial complex umbrella which means that it spends a lot of money in multiple states both red and blue and requires high quality precision manufacturing jobs that aren't entirely threatened by automation.

Which isn't to say that the automation isn't there, just that it's not large scale industrial production line automation. Rather it's machines that are constantly being repurposed to do the same task but in a different way and that requires people on the other end of the machine. People that know high end geometry and calculus and C&C programming language among other things.

Also highways and infrastructure are pretty damned important. They effect everything from air quality - less congestion means less time on the road so you cut down on vehicle exhaust, price of goods, lives saved from faster trips to the hospital, tons and tons and tons of high paying jobs which are the true trickle down economy, skilled labor education as apprenticeships are set up to replace aging workers.

Really the only downside of infrastructure spending is that it's a very large up-front investment for a long time payout that's hard for many people to wrap their heads around simply because we take our roads, drinking water, electricity, gas and so on for granted. Which frankly any first world country should be able to.

[Cybran]

Americans should focus more on practicality and productivity instead of making that donkey that gets kicked around for gifs.

[Cosmic Janitor]

The US has been out of business when it comes to industrial tech for the last couple decades. They shifted to service and selling your "data", which something both Germany and Japan are atrociously bad at, hence why most of the new IT giants are US companies. Electronics at the base level are firm in the hands of China, Singapore, South Korea, etc. as well. That's how it is .

[Deleted]

The US have always been losing to Japan and Germany in this regard, AFAIK. And China provides machinery for very low costs, because of extremely cheap labor, so it is pretty hard to contest with them here.

Quality (or the lack of it) is still a major issue with any Chinese products. Anyone who has ever done actual engineering/construction/industrial work knows that Chinese tools and materials are not to be trusted. You can't even count on getting straight I- or C-beams, without mentioning the more complicated stuff, such as metallurgical properties, or proper tolerances for machine parts.

[Deleted]

Germans are superior, what else is new?

[Cybran]

Germans are superior, what else is new?

http://www.bild.de/regional/muenchen....html#fromWall

Völlig weggebeamt im Münchner Werk des bayerischen Autobauers BMW: Ein Drogen-Exzess von zwei Monteuren hat beim Konzern einen Millionenschaden verursacht!

More like, German workers are not sober enough and need machines to replace them.

[XDurionX]

Germany has always been one of the world's leaders in engineering. But many big players are bought out by China, KUKA being one of the most recent cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KUKA

Edit: Ah, it's already in the source, should have read that first, i apologize.

[Cerilis]

Kneel before the robot axis of Berlin - Tokyo! It-...what? Too soon? Sorry...

[Sezerek]

http://www.bild.de/regional/muenchen....html#fromWall


More like, German workers are not sober enough and need machines to replace them.

The worker were Polish, not German.

[Slant]

In essence, the article stated that America is losing the battle to supply the kind of cutting-edge production machinery that is powering the new automated factory floor, from digital machine tools to complex packaging systems and robotic arms.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compa...cid=spartandhp

China is currently the world’s largest producer of industrial robots, supplying about 27% of the global market since 2015, according to the International Federation of Robotics (IFR). It is still lagging behind Japan and Germany in term of technology. However, they are closing the gap by buying foreign companies for their technology.

https://qz.com/922742/china-is-rapid...thing-you-buy/

So is this something that the US need to worry about? What is your opinion?

As a matter of necessity, it will not change in the near future. Germany has a lot less space per capita than the US do. To sustain our dense population, we have to rely on shit that automates stuff, produces more stuff and above all, saves space. The Japanese face pretty much the same problem. If not more. The whole concept of electronic miniaturization... fuck, I can't spell that word (looked it up now :P) stems from the Japanese needing to conserve space. It takes precedence over most other matters for them, that's why they single handedly started to miniaturize shit when the rest of the world still thought a computer the size of a refrigerator was the next best thing.

[Noradin]

The US has been out of business when it comes to industrial tech for the last couple decades. They shifted to service and selling your "data", which something both Germany and Japan are atrociously bad at, hence why most of the new IT giants are US companies. Electronics at the base level are firm in the hands of China, Singapore, South Korea, etc. as well. That's how it is .

Yes, that is by design.

[Logwyn]

In essence, the article stated that America is losing the battle to supply the kind of cutting-edge production machinery that is powering the new automated factory floor, from digital machine tools to complex packaging systems and robotic arms.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compa...cid=spartandhp

China is currently the world’s largest producer of industrial robots, supplying about 27% of the global market since 2015, according to the International Federation of Robotics (IFR). It is still lagging behind Japan and Germany in term of technology. However, they are closing the gap by buying foreign companies for their technology.

https://qz.com/922742/china-is-rapid...thing-you-buy/

So is this something that the US need to worry about? What is your opinion?

Its not surprising that a manufacturing based economy is out manufacturing a service based economy. Whats's next there is more water in the ocean that the river ways in the USA? Dig more Oceans in the USA heartland?

[Delana]

but dont americans think machines are like mexicans??? all i hear about automation over there is that "dey terk er jerbs"


/shrug

You realize that both are objectively true, right?