Hey guess who is going on vacation #5!!

[Mormolyce]

Even Palm Beach itself is sick of all his trips to Mar a Lago:

Trump's past trips to Palm Beach have been nothing short of eventful, with a national security crisis occurring in front of high-paying Mar-a-Lago members during dinner, frequent golf outings at his private golf club, and surprise appearances at charity events hosted by Mar-a-Lago .
However, more than anything, his trips have cost taxpayers big time. CBS News reports American taxpayers spend more than $3 million each time Trump heads to the “Winter White House.”
But that's only part of the price of Trump's weekend getaways. Residents in Palm Beach have been hit with additional costs to protect the president, to the tune of more than $1 million since Trump was elected.
As the Palm Beach Post first reported earlier this week, one local political leader has a solution: Make Mar-a-Lago pay for it.
Dave Kerner, a county commissioner for Palm Beach's third district, is asking the county’s attorney office to explore making Mar-a-Lago’s owner reimburse the county for “special benefits” given to the resort. Kerner’s proposal would make Mar-a-Lago a “municipal service benefit unit,” meaning the county can require the resort to pay for the costs incurred by Trump’s frequent visits.
“We’re very honored to have the president here, but at the same time, his travel here is such high frequency he’s not visiting Palm Beach County — he’s governing from it,” Kerner told MONEY.
The Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office says that the county has spent $570,000 to help security and other measures to protect Trump during his presidency, and that doesn't include overtime pay. Law enforcement officials assigned to aiding the president’s visits are paid overtime, totaling another $60,000 or so per day. Trump also visited Palm Beach during the winter holidays after he was elected but before he became president, costing the county around $548,000. Altogether, the bill comes to well over $1 million in Trump-related costs incurred by the county over the past few months.
Kerner says the federal government has refused to reimburse the county. As a result, Kerner says he has no choice but to find another avenue to seek reimbursement, and charging Mar-a-Lago looks like the best option.
“Whatever our priorities are, the taxpayers didn’t pay this money to us to protect the president,” Kerner said.
The county is currently facing a $40 million deficit and a devastating heroin epidemic, Kerner said. He thinks local taxpayer dollars should be used on these pressing county issues, not on special accommodations for the president.
“This is not about President Trump; this is not about me being a Democrat,” he added. “I just want to see that their taxpayer dollars are being used for what they’re for.”
Palm Beach taxpayers aren't the only locals feeling the Trump Effect. Some Palm Beach businesses are suffering as a result of frequent Trump visits too. For example, the New York Times reported that private businesses at the Palm Beach County Park Airport have to shut down due to flight restrictions imposed by the U.S. Secret Service.

http://time.com/money/4703151/donald...rs-palm-beach/

Bolded the funniest part.

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Then they should talk about EVERY politician that goes on "vacation days" using tax dollars. Make it a serious discussion about what they should cover and what they shouldn't cover instead of singling out an individual or for this weeks QQ about Trump.

Sorry, Trump made this bed when he decided to shitpost over and over again about Obama's holidays and golfing, how much it was costing the country and how he should be doing more work. Now he has to lie in it.

[Zomis]

Trump hasn't taking one vacation, playing golf does not mean you're playing vacation anymore than Obama playing Basketball was a vacation. Try hard Democrats! LOL!!!

[Super Kami Dende]

Oh no, he's doing stuff on the weekend.

The humanity!!

[Orange Joe]

Oh no, he's doing stuff on the weekend.

The humanity!!

You know, if he wouldn't have said anything about Obama. No one would be saying anything about him.


For some reason people like to point out hypocrisy.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Trump hasn't taking one vacation, playing golf does not mean you're playing vacation anymore than Obama playing Basketball was a vacation. Try hard Democrats! LOL!!!

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...038784?lang=en

We pay for Obama's travel so he can fundraise millions so Democrats can run on lies. Then we pay for his golf.

[analmoose]

Air Force One costs $200,000 per hour of flight, plus there's the cost of the Secret Service having to set up in a place that, unlike Camp David, was not designed with the purpose of keeping the President of the United States safe while he's there. The $3M is based on a similar trip Obama took in 2013, which lasted four days and cost a total of $3.6 million. Including in the damage to the local businesses, who are subject to their own security requirements when he's in town, and $3M is generous.

That's insanely inflated, it doesn't cost $200,000.00 per hour to operate a plane of any type. Especially one so old as Air Force one, the costs have been paid hundreds of times over by now. If the "cost" is legitimately that high it's just fattening someones bank account purposely, which is where thew problem would lie. Not in his use of it, nor anyone else's.

So what I see as the problem is not the fact he, obama, or anyone else is taking the trip, it's the governments shitty policies when it comes to paying 1090894476% percent markup on everything. Like military weapons, healthcare, (1000$ for a bag of saline solution which is made for maybe $1.) and overpaying for basically every contract ever.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Trump hasn't taking one vacation, playing golf does not mean you're playing vacation anymore than Obama playing Basketball was a vacation. Try hard Democrats! LOL!!!

^ Person who whinged about Obama's vacations, weekends, etc.

LOL!!!

[Orbitus]

That's insanely inflated, it doesn't cost $200,000.00 per hour to operate a plane of any type. Especially one so old as Air Force one, the costs have been paid hundreds of times over by now. If the "cost" is legitimately that high it's just fattening someones bank account purposely, which is where thew problem would lie. Not in his use of it, nor anyone else's.

So what I see as the problem is not the fact he, obama, or anyone else is taking the trip, it's the governments shitty policies when it comes to paying 1090894476% percent markup on everything. Like military weapons, healthcare, (1000$ for a bag of saline solution which is made for maybe $1.) and overpaying for basically every contract ever.

http://www.snopes.com/taxpayers-air-force-one/

The most easily quantifiable item to estimate is the cost to operate Air Force One (AF1), a Boeing VC-25A, the military version of the 747 aircraft. Some good news for taxpayers is that the costs per flight hour for AF1 has gone down again. In 2013, it cost $228,288. Last year, it was reported at $206,337 per flight hour. In response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed by Judicial Watch, the Air Force reported that the FY 2016 cost per flight hour for the AF1 is $180,118.

Last year it was $180,000 an hour, but previous years it was more expensive.

[Zan15]

Sorry brah, this thread is left leaning. Totes OK

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Can you give me a breakdown of how it realistically costs 3m to fly to florida for 2 days?

what the other guy said


Air Force One costs $200,000 per hour of flight, plus there's the cost of the Secret Service having to set up in a place that, unlike Camp David, was not designed with the purpose of keeping the President of the United States safe while he's there. The $3M is based on a similar trip Obama took in 2013, which lasted four days and cost a total of $3.6 million. Including in the damage to the local businesses, who are subject to their own security requirements when he's in town, and $3M is generous.


this is based off a freedom of information request where we finally got to know what it cost for air force one.


Remember that plane has to sit there on the runway fully staffed and ready to fly for 2 days.
BTW half the time he does not leave till late monday afternoon


do you think Secret Service sleeps in tents outsdie?

[Zylos]

I mean calling republicans hypocrites for criticizing Obama's vacations is great and all but... criticizing Trump while turning a blind eye to Obama is just as hypocritical. Ya'll are both equally obnoxious.

[Zan15]

That's insanely inflated, it doesn't cost $200,000.00 per hour to operate a plane of any type. Especially one so old as Air Force one, the costs have been paid hundreds of times over by now. If the "cost" is legitimately that high it's just fattening someones bank account purposely, which is where thew problem would lie. Not in his use of it, nor anyone else's.

So what I see as the problem is not the fact he, obama, or anyone else is taking the trip, it's the governments shitty policies when it comes to paying 1090894476% percent markup on everything. Like military weapons, healthcare, (1000$ for a bag of saline solution which is made for maybe $1.) and overpaying for basically every contract ever.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-...rce-one-2015-2

Concerning Item 2 of your request, included are the AFTO Forms 781 for President Obama’s October 9 and 10, 2014 trip to Los Angeles, California.

The FY15 cost per flying hour (CPFH) for Air Force One (VC-25A) is $206.337.00.

Please note that the CPFH includes fuel, flight consumables, depot level repairables, aircraft overhaul, and engine overhaul.




just in case you are too lazy to look at source of the FIOA
DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE HEADQUARTERS AIR MOBILITY COMMAND
HQ AMC/A6X 203 West Losey St., RM 3600 Scott AFB IL 62225

JERALD H. NARUM, Colonel, USAF
Chief, MAF IT Portfolio Management Division
Air Mobility Command Initial Denial Authority

[LaserSharkDFB]

That's insanely inflated, it doesn't cost $200,000.00 per hour to operate a plane of any type. Especially one so old as Air Force one, the costs have been paid hundreds of times over by now. If the "cost" is legitimately that high it's just fattening someones bank account purposely, which is where thew problem would lie. Not in his use of it, nor anyone else's.

So what I see as the problem is not the fact he, obama, or anyone else is taking the trip, it's the governments shitty policies when it comes to paying 1090894476% percent markup on everything. Like military weapons, healthcare, (1000$ for a bag of saline solution which is made for maybe $1.) and overpaying for basically every contract ever.

You can say 'it shouldn't cost this much', and that's a fair point for another discussion. However, here and now, it's completely irrelevant. The fact is, as others have pointed out, it does cost that much and Trump does go on these little jaunts knowing how much they cost the taxpayer. He doesn't get any slack just because the cost may or may not be inflated.

[GarlicGuy]

The story I read said he is on pace for 1 BN in travel spending over his term, with that vast majority being personal travel. Plus, I think he has already gone golfing more in a few weeks than Obama did in a whole year - with the funny party being he gave Obama so much grief over how much he went golfing..... And to top it all, he said he wouldn't have time for golfing.

I'm in the camp that says he doesn't even complete 2 years of his term....

[LaserSharkDFB]

The story I read said he is on pace for 1 BN in travel spending over his term, with that vast majority being personal travel. Plus, I think he has already gone golfing more in a few weeks than Obama did in a whole year - with the funny party being he gave Obama so much grief over how much he went golfing..... And to top it all, he said he wouldn't have time for golfing.

I'm in the camp that says he doesn't even complete 2 years of his term....

Ehn. It kind of depends on how the Russia thing shakes out. He's massively incompetent, sure, but he'll stay in office unless he's caught in something so bad that his base finally turns on him, and so far they've been cult-like in their support. Also, he's basically neutered now ever since he lost the Trumpcare fight; Republicans have the House, but he still couldn't get them to back his bill. Now they know they can ignore his threats and go about their business; he'll be expected to just rubber-stamp everything they want.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I mean calling republicans hypocrites for criticizing Obama's vacations is great and all but... criticizing Trump while turning a blind eye to Obama is just as hypocritical. Ya'll are both equally obnoxious.

You seem to be missing the point of this thread.

We'd all be fine with presidents taking vacations. Being president is hard work.

But tell me, who was it that was railing on Obama for taking TWO vacations a year? Who was it who was bashing Obama for tax dollars going towards Obama's vacations?

And the answer to those questions isn't JUST Trump, it's pretty much the entire alt-reicht who were lambasting Obama for TWO vacations per year. Not to mention that fact that Obama was not even personally benefitting from his own vacations. Meanwhile Trump has vacationed to only places he owns, putting money directly into his own pocket.

So this thread is more to point out what massive hypocrites Trump and his followers are, than to actually bash Trump for taking vacations.

[LaserSharkDFB]

What I'm curious about is whether Trump is reimbursing the government for using AF1 for non-business travel, the way he's supposed to and the way Obama did. Seems like that would be a good way to head off criticism, letting people know something like that. Funny that he hasn't said anything about that. Hm.

[Orlong]

Doesn't matter what you call it, when he is spending TAX PAYER MONEY to go to these places to ENRICH HIMSELF, that is self-dealing and illegal.

He also doesnt have the option to NOT take secret service personnel with him. He already is not taking the salary, and every time he goes away for a weekend its to one of his own prperties so we dont have to rent an entire hotel like we did with Obama. If he could go alone he likely would

[Felya]

He also doesnt have the option to NOT take secret service personnel with him. He already is not taking the salary, and every time he goes away for a weekend its to one of his own prperties so we dont have to rent an entire hotel like we did with Obama. If he could go alone he likely would

He does have an option to put his business in a blind trust, as every other president has done. That way, we wouldn't be paying him for his second job, a part of which is getting us to spend money on his business. The US does rent the hotel from Trump, to Trump's administration. It goes from government to his pocket...

[zenkai]

Is anyone else outraged that he plays golf other than these forums and Occupy Democrats? To bad Hillary didn't win maybe we would see less pointless post.

[Felya]

Is anyone else outraged that he plays golf other than these forums and Occupy Democrats? To bad Hillary didn't win maybe we would see less pointless post.

A lot of people do, these stories are ran on other prominent sites as well. But, there are people like Orlong who will deflect to Obama or you, trying to treat a story like it's a popularity contest. It's real that Trump didn't put his business in a blind trust. It's real that Trump benefits directly from these trips as a result. It's real that you cannot say that about any president... because none of them refused to put their existing business in a blind trust.