I keep hearing republican politicians say

[Teleros]

Trump has accomplished a lot since taking office.

Really?

Politics is often about perceptions, and he really brought some high energy activity into the first few weeks. Lots of executive orders being thrown about and such. And to be fair, this can and often is quite powerful - you don't want your business to fall foul of the God-Emperor's Twitter account after all .

I don't know how many of those executive orders passed, and we know what happened with healthcare and the immigration ban, so really, what has he actually accomplished to the point that it's a done deal?

Healthcare seems to be more Paul Ryan's thing, but w/e. As for immigration, he's done quite a bit actually - namely, he's showing the public how insane and out of touch so many US judges are. It's the president's job to control the borders, and per decades-old laws like the ones giving privileged immigration status to Soviet Jews, religion can most definitely be a key factor.

Plus, even if he builds the wall, the next democrat will knock it down, so that's just stupid to waste money.

The next what? Democrat? This is the beginning of the thousand-year Trumpenreich you know...

More seriously, whilst you may be right, it will at least slow the current flood down, which is always good if you want the USA to survive. And if Trump can start deporting enough Hispanics and the like, the Democrats may find they have to keep the wall up to have any chance of getting enough white votes to win another election :P .

Oh, wait, he has accomplished a 37% approval rating..... Yeah, I guess he did accomplish something. He's even pissing off the people who voted for him..... who didn't think this would happen?

Because clearly Trump cares a lot about what the pollsters say about him .

EDIT: BTW, there is a casino in England taking bets on whether Trump completes one term..... 10 out of every 11 bets are going for him not being able to complete one term.

As we saw with Brexit and the God-Emperor's ascension, it's usually a bad idea to bet against him. I'm expecting a Trump landslide in 2020.

Perhaps we could then get Steve Bannon in for 2024 ?

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Accomplishments that republicans are thrilled about:

1. Drain the Swamp Act that prohibits politicians from becoming lobbyists for 5 years after leaving office.
2. Produced a new budget that makes deep cuts to big government social programs.
3. Withdrew from the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP).
4. Promoted alt-right news sources like Breitbart and demoted mainstream press entities like CNN.
5. "Two out, one in" rule for business regulations. Any government department that requests a new regulation must also list 2 regulations that would like to see cut.
6. Executive order to build the wall, the first step in the process.
7. Hiring freeze for new federal government workers.
8. Executive order to build the oil pipelines (Keystone XL and Dakota Access), reversing Obama's order to halt construction.

I think this thread accurately represents the political environment. The topic of this thread actually makes for a compelling discussion, but the ideologues of both political spectrum turn this into a hodge-podge of emotional arguments, personal opinions and character attacks.

There's a discussion to be had, but this is not the way to do it. Maybe, if the left acknowledged that Trump is not this incompetent, evil entity who will destroy America and if the right conceded that Trump is not the God-Emperor who can do no wrong these type of threads would actually be going somewhere.

What's really irritating and, quite frankly, pathetic is that the left and the right use very similar arguments to invalidate the opposing candidate. How can you state that someone has been influenced by a smear Campaign against Clinton without mentioning that an (arguably much more) coordinated smear campaign against Trump took (and currently takes) place? How can you dismiss the investigation into Clinton emails and denounce Trump's unverified Russia connections? How can you make a case against partisan right-wing news organisations, but omit the bias of left-wing partisan news organisations, which (arguably) dominate the mainstream narrative. How can you reduce the Obamacare repeal to "he wants to take away peoples healthcare and will kill thousands" without addressing the complexity of the problem?

Maybe it's time we all came out of our echo chambers and addressed/debunked posts like the one I quoted on a less opiniated and a more factual level, admitted when we're wrong and actually had the open mind which everyone prides himself with.

[ButterBeast]

did he not make coal companies able to polute more unchecked? i guess thats a win for the republican donors.

[Sky High]

he's accomplished a lot if you ask me. like showing the American people once again that the GOP is not a governing body but one so rotten to the core from lobbyists money and extreme conservative ideologues that care more about principal then policy or the people they are supposed to represent.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

BTW, there is a casino in England taking bets on whether Trump completes one term..... 10 out of every 11 bets are going for him not being able to complete one term.

Doesn't surprise me, but people were betting about him getting past the primaries.
Then they were betting against him getting the nomination.
Then they were betting against him winning.
Then they were betting that the EC would reject him.

People keep assuming everyone will stop voting for him at some point but evidently that's not the case.
Don't mistake this for me being in favour of him, I like Drumpf only as a comedy act on the far side of the Atlantic, but you can't deny he keeps winning despite a lot of people's perceptions.

[Draco-Onis]

Accomplishments that republicans are thrilled about:

1. Drain the Swamp Act that prohibits politicians from becoming lobbyists for 5 years after leaving office.
2. Produced a new budget that makes deep cuts to big government social programs.
3. Withdrew from the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP).
4. Promoted alt-right news sources like Breitbart and demoted mainstream press entities like CNN.
5. "Two out, one in" rule for business regulations. Any government department that requests a new regulation must also list 2 regulations that would like to see cut.
6. Executive order to build the wall, the first step in the process.
7. Hiring freeze for new federal government workers.
8. Executive order to build the oil pipelines (Keystone XL and Dakota Access), reversing Obama's order to halt construction.

1. Not a law and there are exceptions, the law is still stuck in congress it is basically not worth the paper it is written on.
2 & 6. Need congressional approval and about 6 the first step is putting up a budget through congress those executive orders are worthless congress controls the purse strings. Also his budget is not a full budget and did not address big social government programs (medicare, medicaid, social security).

Everything else you can have if that is what does it for you alt right people since those are like religion and not worth discussing factual information on them.

[Ragedaug]

Figured. Just another "Clinton is literally satan!" believer.

See if you can convince your party to nominate a better person next time and maybe we'll get lucky and not have to do 8 years of Trump.

[Gestopft]

Politics is often about perceptions, and he really brought some high energy activity into the first few weeks. Lots of executive orders being thrown about and such. And to be fair, this can and often is quite powerful - you don't want your business to fall foul of the God-Emperor's Twitter account after all .

Eventually there has to be follow-through. When 2020 comes around, he isn't going to get re-elected without results.

Healthcare seems to be more Paul Ryan's thing, but w/e. As for immigration, he's done quite a bit actually - namely, he's showing the public how insane and out of touch so many US judges are. It's the president's job to control the borders, and per decades-old laws like the ones giving privileged immigration status to Soviet Jews, religion can most definitely be a key factor.

The judges spend their careers studying the constitution, and Donald Trump appears to have never read it- who's out of touch now? Anyway, intent matters in the law. When Trump does something so mind-bogglingly stupid as calling for an unconstitutional Muslim ban and then tries to implement something that looks an awful lot like a Muslim ban...people will understand what the intent is. If he hadn't made such a huge blunder during the campaign, then we could speculate all we wanted, but the courts would've been more likely to side with him.

The next what? Democrat? This is the beginning of the thousand-year Trumpenreich you know...

More seriously, whilst you may be right, it will at least slow the current flood down, which is always good if you want the USA to survive. And if Trump can start deporting enough Hispanics and the like, the Democrats may find they have to keep the wall up to have any chance of getting enough white votes to win another election :P .

Immigration from Mexico has been declining. Our economy has been getting worse for low and middle class people for a long time, and potential immigrants have taken notice.

Because clearly Trump cares a lot about what the pollsters say about him .

He always seemed to gloat about it when the polls favored him.

As we saw with Brexit and the God-Emperor's ascension, it's usually a bad idea to bet against him. I'm expecting a Trump landslide in 2020.

Perhaps we could then get Steve Bannon in for 2024 ?

Trump only won (and barely) because he was up against the most despised candidate ever (other than him, if you believe in polls)

So...dream on I guess.

[Felya]

See if you can convince your party to nominate a better person next time and maybe we'll get lucky and not have to do 8 years of Trump.

By better, do you mean a more prominent reality TV star? What Trump did is not make better candidates want to run, it made people like the Rock and Konye West think they can be president.

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Yeah, I'll personally go up there and try to do that. Since you seem to think that's how it works.

Maybe DNC will run the Rock and RNC Steve Williams. What a wrestlema... I mean election that would be!

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I do not think hardly any feel he is worse than Hillary would have been. Now in 4 years if the Democrats can put up a good candidate ( Not Warren:P ) they may change sides.

At the current rate trump is going, there won't be republicans and a gop left.

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See if you can convince your party to nominate a better person next time and maybe we'll get lucky and not have to do 8 years of Trump.

Trump won't even finish 2 years, let alone 8.

Republicans are going to crash completely at midterm and Trump will be impeached within the next 12 months.

[Felya]

I do not think hardly any feel he is worse than Hillary would have been. Now in 4 years if the Democrats can put up a good candidate ( Not Warren:P ) they may change sides.

Bullshit... there is absolutely none of the things that are causing turmoil in US would have come from Hillary. The only difference, is that the horrible unemployment numbers and dying economy, would still been real... instead of Trump taking credit for them disappearing as soon as he won. We wouldn't have a president that spends tax dollars on his property. We wouldn't have healthcare bill shut down, that was even worse than ACA. We wouldn't have two travel bans being fought in court. We wouldn't be apologizing to Britain, because the White House claimed they helped Obama spy on Trump. We wouldn't have a loudmouth on twitter as president...

On top of that, bullshit that you would vote for any DNC candidate. You made that clear when you still claimed Trump was horrible and seeing his faults... something that changed on a dime, the second he won.

[Ragedaug]

By better, do you mean a more prominent reality TV star? What Trump did is not make better candidates want to run, it made people like the Rock and Konye West think they can be president.

You're over thinking it. By "better" I simply mean pretty much literally anyone who isn't named "Hillary Clinton". You're all mad that the 2nd worst person to ever run for president got elected when you ran the 1st worst person... /shrug

Do better next time, unless you are just going to pray that the Republicans pick up the slack and defeat Trump in the primaries.

[Draco-Onis]

Conservatives can add this to the list.

Your internet provider will now be able to sell and manipulate your data since that has passed congress and Trump will sign it.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/0...cy-protections

Government for the corporations, of the corporations by the corporations #MAGA.

[kneehidude]

Obama was decent and Hillary would have done a better job than Trump.

Quite possibly. But people don't believe her, and are flat out tired of her.

[Frogguh]

It's hard to accomplish anything with a Party of No opposing everything you do. Just ask Obama.

Trump also gets to deal with left-wing activist judges making up laws as they go, like when they unjustly prevented the Chief Executive from performing his constitutional prerogative to limit immigration to the country, since immigration to the country is not a right. So I would chalk up many of the setbacks to the new Party of No and left-wing nutjobs, both the protesters perpetrating violence on innocents and the activist judges.

[Manabomb]

Yeah, the group of people who want to deprive civilization of gas, meat, and GMO crops.

More like a group of natives looking to preserve their land and using every legal method of doing so, or did you forget we live in the United States of Deflection?

Though I'm certainly curious what kind of mental gymnastics it takes to think GMO crops are any different from 'regular' crops.

[Ragedaug]

That's the core of the Trump brand.

People think he's awesome to partner up with because he's "worth a lot of money" and "successful". Then he profits off them and they get nothing out of it. But the profit fuels his successful image and allows him to pull in the next round of suckers.

It's amazing.

Hustler-in-Chief

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You're still acting as if a single individual is a hypocrite for supporting Clinton while being against Trump. Even IF it your statement that she was worse than Trump was true, this is still flawed logic.

Can you stop talking about Clinton now?

Just pointing out the obvious. The left are all butt hurt about Trump, and they easily could have beaten him by not rigging their own primaries. Now they are all whiny looking for someone else to be mad at. You made your bed, now sleep in it.

[Wells]

Hustler-in-Chief

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Just pointing out the obvious. The left are all butt hurt about Trump, and they easily could have beaten him by not rigging their own primaries. Now they are all whiny looking for someone else to be mad at. You made your bed, now sleep in it.

I see we've moved on from blaming Party Elites to the entire left wing of the country regardless of who they supported.

[Ragedaug]

I see we've moved on from blaming Party Elites to the entire left wing of the country regardless of who they supported.

The left wing is the party letting the DNC get away with rigging their primaries. Hold them accountable. Instead the entire left wing of the country is giving the DNC and the Clinton a complete pass for everything they did, and wondering why they are losing.

If they had released all the damning information & evidence they had on Trump during the primaries, he never would have won the nomination. Instead they figure he's the easiest guy to beat, so they help push him over during the primaries, and with the Pubs having the worst possible candidate running, they still couldn't convince enough people to vote for Clinton.

[Felya]

You're over thinking it. By "better" I simply mean pretty much literally anyone who isn't named "Hillary Clinton". You're all mad that the 2nd worst person to ever run for president got elected when you ran the 1st worst person... /shrug

Do better next time, unless you are just going to pray that the Republicans pick up the slack and defeat Trump in the primaries.

I'm disputing the second worst part. Trump is objectively the candidate with least credentials in history of the US, while Hillary had some of the most. If you want to see how blatant the disconnect with reality you are making... Trump is born and raised in NYC, as an oligarch. Hillary was born in suburbs of Illinois, to a middle income family. Guess which one won the ani-NYC elites/pro-middle America vote?