LA will keep unvaccinated children out of institutions

[Halyon]

I support this decision. Herd immunity has done nothing but help. Despite that some pruning could be done for the more...detractable segments...kids are innocent in this.

[Underverse]

but these people are putting other kids at risk by supporting the state and corporations abusing your kids. If asians can make a token effort not to spread around colds by wearing facemasks to catch their spray then maybe this is the encouragement americans need to be more respectful to their fellow citizen.




Children die because of being drugged up to make a quick buck and comments like yours.

It's not abuse. Facemasks cannot eliminate communicable diseases. Vaccines don't 'drug people up'.

[Orange Joe]

but these people are putting other kids at risk by supporting the state and corporations abusing your kids. If asians can make a token effort not to spread around colds by wearing facemasks to catch their spray then maybe this is the encouragement americans need to be more respectful to their fellow citizen.




Children die because of being drugged up to make a quick buck and comments like yours.

Are you trying to say more kids die from vaccinations than are saved by them?


If so you might as well not even bother posting anymore.

[PenguinChan]

I still don't understand how this is a thing, why is this a thing? Vaccines help, no matter the age -- but more importantly at a younger age than any other. People really should educate themselves about the topic, it helps save lives - not kill them.

[Mormolyce]

http://apps.who.int/immunization_mon...overages?c=USA

I wouldn't be too worried about it, honestly.

[Aquinan]

Good, everyone should be vaxxed (excluding those who medically can't), should be fined for putting others in danger.

[Bytch]

Some of you people are mis-using the term "Herd Immunity". Only when you have a group of people that have had the natural sickness/disease have herd immunity. Those that get vaccines have NO immunity- which is why you have to get a booster every 2 years or so. Also by getting the vaccines you are spreading and causing injury to those thatr cant fight it via shedding.

Most outbreaks are caused by the vaccinated via shedding.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Some of you people are mis-using the term "Herd Immunity". Only when you have a group of people that have had the natural sickness/disease have herd immunity. Those that get vaccines have NO immunity- which is why you have to get a booster every 2 years or so. Also by getting the vaccines you are spreading and causing injury to those thatr cant fight it via shedding.

Most outbreaks are caused by the vaccinated via shedding.

Whole lot of misinformation all lumped up into one post.

[Bytch]

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/...ent-first-time

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http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/...ent-first-time

Whole lot of misinformation all lumped up into one post.

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April 1, 2014

According to the NY State Department of Health a whopping TWO out of 20 people infected during a measles outbreak were children whose parents had opted not to vaccinate. This, of course, means that 18 of the people infected WERE vaccinated.

The mainstream media still somehow blames the outbreak on a decline in vaccinations.

Many many cases of the vaccinated creating the outbreaks.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...rmont/1768527/

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http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...peds.2009-1653

[Garnier Fructis]

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/...ent-first-time

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Many many cases of the vaccinated creating the outbreaks.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...rmont/1768527/

It's amazing how much you managed to misread that article to get your prior post. Good lord.

[Bytch]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm

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Public Health Myth #4: Herd Immunity

The Myth: Vaccines provide “herd immunity” and are for the greater good of the society.

The Truth: Herd immunity through vaccination does not exist. The theory behind herd immunity is that if a given percentage of individuals (usually between 85-96%) are vaccinated, the community is fully immune from outbreaks and the immunized protect those who cannot be immunized. However, many outbreaks have occurred within populations that have been fully immunized, and some research points to the vaccination program as the instigator of outbreaks.

Supporting statistics for this phenomenon include:

2009: over two dozen cases of pertussis in Hunterdon County, New Jersey; all the children infected had been immunized prior to contracting the illness
1994: measles outbreak in Cincinnati; 80% of the children involved had had at least three doses of the vaccine
1989: 2,720 reported cases of measles nationally; 72.5% (1,972 of them) occurred in those who were vaccinated
1989: measles outbreak in a high school in Illinois; 69 cases, 99.7% occurred in those who were vaccinated
1987: CDC reported 2,440 cases of measles among vaccinated children
1986: measles outbreak in Corpus Christi, TX; 99% occurred in children who had been vaccinated
1986: in Kansas; 1,300 cases of pertussis were reported; 90% occurred in those who were vaccinated
1984, measles outbreak at a high school in Waltham, Massachusetts; 27 cases, 98% had documented proof of vaccination against the measles
1971, a rubella epidemic in Casper, Wyoming; 84% (91 of the 125 cases) occurred in vaccinated children

During the measles outbreaks above, it’s important to note that there were a surprisingly low number of measles cases in the unvaccinated population.

Many studies reveal that clusters of children have gotten measles and whooping cough despite vaccination. For example, according to the Ohio Department of Health, 50% the reported cases of whooping cough in Ohio from 1987 to 1991 were in vaccinated persons. The Journal of Pediatrics published a study in 1989 showing a 55% failure rate in the pertussis vaccine (Walene James, Immunization: The Reality Behind the Myth).

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/...ent-first-time

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Many many cases of the vaccinated creating the outbreaks.

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http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...peds.2009-1653

So...for "proof" that most outbreaks are caused by vaccinated you offer a single article that clearly states that this is the first time any such thing has been traced back to a vaccinated person. Of the 88 people this person had contact with...only 4 got the measles...and only 2 of them were vaccinated. Imagine how much worse it could have been in none of those 88 had been vaccinated.

[Kasierith]

During the measles outbreaks above, it’s important to note that there were a surprisingly low number of measles cases in the unvaccinated population.

Many studies reveal that clusters of children have gotten measles and whooping cough despite vaccination. For example, according to the Ohio Department of Health, 50% the reported cases of whooping cough in Ohio from 1987 to 1991 were in vaccinated persons. The Journal of Pediatrics published a study in 1989 showing a 55% failure rate in the pertussis vaccine (Walene James, Immunization: The Reality Behind the Myth).

That the pertussis vaccine does not stop pertussis is universally known in the health care field. That the vaccine does severely decrease the length of the illness and have a modest improvement on symptom management during this shorter time is also known. Your "myth" is based largely on people who are utterly clueless beyond finding a link on their facebook feed that happens to support what they believe already, and thus are eager to spread said misinformation rather than getting a clue.

[Bytch]

Herd Immunity Myth

Herd immunity is a theory stating that if the majority of a population can become "immune" to a disease via vaccination, diseases will either be eradicated or at least kept under control. It refers to a pattern of immunity that should protect a population from invasion of a new infection.

Herd immunity forms the backbone of pro-vaccine arguments, with smallpox and polio being the most commonly cited examples of diseases said to have been eradicated by vaccines. My question is, where is the science behind the belief that the herd can be protected by vaccinating enough people? Or that any disease has been eradicated from the planet thanks to a vaccine?

These beliefs are widespread in mainstream circles, but when one sits down to look at the evidence, a different picture emerges.

Measles, for example, was fairly common 50 years ago and hardly a cause for concern. You would get it, get better, and then be immune to it for the rest of your life. Death via measles was rare, just as it is in the present day, a fact which has largely been attributed to vaccination.

The truth is, measles vaccine failures have been documented for a quarter of a century around the world. You can read more about that in an article we published about it last year, here.

According to Lucija Tomljenovik, a post-doctoral research fellow in the department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences at The University of British Colombia:

The statement that high levels of vaccination prevent disease outbreaks is not accurate as infectious diseases do in fact occur even in fully vaccinated populations as well as individuals. The likely reason for this is that vaccines primarily stimulate humoral immunity (antibody-based or Th2 responses) while they have little or no effect on cellular immunity (cytotoxic T-cells, Th1 responses), which is absolutely crucial for protection against viral as well as some bacterial pathogens. This may be the reason why vaccine-induced immunities are transient, requiring booster shots, while naturally acquired immunity conferred by the cellular immune system in the absence of vaccination tends to be permanent. Taken together, these observations may explain why outbreaks of allegedly vaccine-preventable diseases do occur in fully vaccinated populations and why, immunity (or its absence) cannot be reliably determined on the basis of serologic determination (measure of antibody levels) [137], which is the most common measure of vaccine efficacy in clinical trials. (source)

She also outlines reports of infectious disease outbreaks despite high vaccination coverage, and calls attention to immune system functioning in the absence of vaccinations — we develop lifelong immunity to diseases when our bodies deal with them naturally.

Sh!t needs to happen for a reason. Too much of the human race is overly medicated and vaccinated for no reason.

[Kasierith]

Sh!t needs to happen for a reason. Too much of the human race is overly medicated and vaccinated for no reason.

I was wondering why a research oriented eye doctor was going on about antibody levels when dismissing a concept firmly rooted in the field of epidemiology as opposed to clinical practice, until I looked up her history as a professional. Paid shills gotta shill to make a living, ya know. In other words, her dismissal of herd immunity falls flat on her face pretty much right away because she doesn't seem to understand what the field of practice it exists in is.

[Garnier Fructis]

It's pretty telling that you fail to provide your sources only when you're copy pasting from unreputable sites.

It's like you know you're full of shit.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Sh!t needs to happen for a reason. Too much of the human race is overly medicated and vaccinated for no reason.

You wanna talk about Myths?

Let's talk about Myths

http://www.publichealth.org/public-a...yths-debunked/

Myth #3: Natural immunity is better than vaccine-acquired immunity.

In some cases, natural immunity — meaning actually catching a disease and getting sick– results in a stronger immunity to the disease than a vaccination. However, the dangers of this approach far outweigh the relative benefits. If you wanted to gain immunity to measles, for example, by contracting the disease, you would face a 1 in 500 chance of death from your symptoms. In contrast, the number of people who have had severe allergic reactions from an MMR vaccine, is less than one-in-one million.

[Kasierith]

You wanna talk about Myths?

Let's talk about Myths

http://www.publichealth.org/public-a...yths-debunked/

You only believe that because your mother had you injected with government mind controlling nanobots rather than doing the right thing and sticking you in a room full of sick children. And now you'll never experience shingles like a real 'murican will. Sucker.

[Orange Joe]

You only believe that because your mother had you injected with government mind controlling nanobots rather than doing the right thing and sticking you in a room full of sick children. And now you'll never experience shingles like a real 'murican will. Sucker.

I remember how I got chicken pox. My cousin had it so I was sent to stay with them a few days until I caught it.

[Rudkobing]

But the vaccinations cause autism!!

Am I doing it right?

Yes. Yes, you are.