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    Quote Originally Posted by Grummgug View Post
    What success have Karl Marx ideas had?
    In My country? Willem Drees admired him greatly and was infleunced by him.


    Europe is really just a colony of the United States.
    Aaaand... Nevermind, not dealing with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phlegethon View Post
    You can't dislike it as a concept, you can dislike the execution.
    How on earth could you disagree with everyone being equal?
    Because people arent equal. And yes, i can dislike it as a concept, because it's flawed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    In My country? Willem Drees admired him greatly and was infleunced by him.




    Aaaand... Nevermind, not dealing with this.
    Karl Marx would've hated Netherlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namecraft View Post
    oh marxism is dumb. guess the argument is over now.
    There was never an argument to begin with. Foh

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSnow View Post
    Karl Marx would've hated Netherlands.
    Willem Drees ruled long ago, and its not he could everything he wanted, no PM can, impossible in our system.
    But ye, our country has plenty of its own shit, Marx would have hated Rutte. But we are talking how Marx's ideas hads influence on certain politicians.
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    Because marxism, communism and socialism does not work. They're all a threat to humanity. Karl Marx, being the founder of Marxism, has not been right about a single thing so far and will never be right about a single thing in the future either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nspeil View Post
    Marx was an atheist and philosopher which means he wasn't that stupid to bash a system to be good and evil. Capitalism just does not work.
    Not sure what evidence you are using to make that claim. Here in the US, capitalism works fine. The overwhelming majority of our citizens are clothed, fed, housed and gainfully employed. Our seniors and poor have various safety nets in place, we have a large thriving middle class, free markets, innovation, etc etc.

    How exactly is it failing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    That's akin to saying driving drunk isn't good nor evil; the other cars just shouldn't have been on the road.
    That is a false equivalence of massive proportions. An economic system in itself has no morality. Drunk driving puts you and everyone else at risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scathbais View Post
    That is a false equivalence of massive proportions. An economic system in itself has no morality. Drunk driving puts you and everyone else at risk.
    Capitalism, pure capitalism, is economic drunk driving.

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    It's amazing the extent to which some people see everything through the oppressed-oppressor axis. It seems trivially obvious that there's more wealth in the world in 2017 than there was in 1817, yet for committed zero-summers, this just isn't possible and someone somewhere must have had things stolen from them for wealth to be created.
    Of course the distribution of this gain in wealth is completely ignored. And yes exploitation is a thing. You can sit their hold your thumbs in your your ears and argue it's all fair but it's really not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    Capitalism, pure capitalism, is economic drunk driving.
    That is false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wixwix View Post
    Because marxism, communism and socialism does not work. They're all a threat to humanity. Karl Marx, being the founder of Marxism, has not been right about a single thing so far and will never be right about a single thing in the future either.
    but there has never been REAL communism, so i'm sure it will work out next time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    It's amazing the extent to which some people see everything through the oppressed-oppressor axis. It seems trivially obvious that there's more wealth in the world in 2017 than there was in 1817, yet for committed zero-summers, this just isn't possible and someone somewhere must have had things stolen from them for wealth to be created.
    Isn't wealth just an abstract concept that doesn't really exist?

    Do you measure it in money? Properties expressed in money? Who owns all the money in your country? Who can declare your ownership of the properties null and void? Seems like zero sum to me.

    It's quite obvious that wealth is a constant. It's the order of numbers you measure the wealth in that changes (not always up though). Superficial.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Because people took his concepts and decided to inject them into every utopia, thus sending them rocketing out of reality and into the lands of sci-fi, fantasy, and Venezuela.
    You're not to think you are anything special. You're not to think you are as good as we are. You're not to think you are smarter than we are. You're not to convince yourself that you are better than we are. You're not to think you know more than we do. You're not to think you are more important than we are. You're not to think you are good at anything. You're not to laugh at us. You're not to think anyone cares about you. You're not to think you can teach us anything.

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    wow liberals are now trying to build a case for marxist views being acceptable.

    you say stuff like but it seems people don't know much about him/his views and just mention soviet union.

    if you really believe that then it just shows how little you actually have looked into the problems that Marxist leaderships bring to their people. it is a far worse place then you could ever understand because you have never been close to being in that situation.

    So please do not try and relate anything about your current life/democracy you live in to Marxist/communist views being a better way of living. Jeez so uneducated and ignorant.

    scary times, when people make ridiculous accusations like marxist living is not that bad.

    http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28036/

    please read that before contemplating such nonsense as to advocate a lifestyle that is alive and well today and throughout recent history has led to over 100 million deaths.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revi View Post
    I know people dislike communism as a concept and think it's unrealistic nonsense, but I can't say I've seen any hate of Marx.
    Basically this, at most it's a displaced anger toward the figure head but I don't really see that all too often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post

    No no man, My life became worse after my sister managed to turn her design firm into an actual moneymaking venture, not really sure how, but the fruits of her labor, sold to people voluntarily, did make my life worse.
    Somehow.
    ^^5 giggles out of 5. Not sure why it took me this long to notice this satire and laugh my ass off. A great laugh nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dankdruid View Post
    wow liberals are now trying to build a case for marxist views being acceptable.
    Liberals and Marxists are polar opposites, you should try harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Liberals and Marxists are polar opposites, you should try harder.
    oh man what a weird thing to say. scary conclusions you have jumped to. ignored whole subject because you know it is ridiculous and have leeched onto any comment you can say to uphold your denial and make a ridiculous counter argument that attempts to derail from the actual topic at hand.

    like i said. scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dankdruid View Post
    oh man what a weird thing to say. scary conclusions you have jumped to. ignored whole subject because you know it is ridiculous and have leeched onto any comment you can say to uphold your denial and make a ridiculous counter argument that attempts to derail from the actual topic at hand.

    like i said. scary.
    I did not really care about the rest, just found it funny you think liberals and marxists are similar.
    Is this always how you react when you're wrong?

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