1m African migrants may be en route to Europe, says former UK envoy

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No it hasn't.

It has. If you want to look at what happens when large scale immigration occurs and what kind of damage it does to host country - look at Baltic states and the immense damage they suffered under Soviet Union.

Literally every single country in Europe that has experienced massive immigration has ended up worse off in the long run. Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary... hell, the entirety of Balkans.

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''I know nothing about the European history'' - the post.

Well that escalated quickly.
And who the fuck would you be again?

[AeneasBK]

Really? Areas of London have changed in my lifetime and I am pretty confident that London is not unique in that respect.

What precisely do you mean? And are you 70+ years old?

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Literally every single country in Europe that has experienced massive immigration has ended up worse off in the long run. Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary... hell, the entirety of Balkans.

It wasn't the communism, it was the migrants.

[Kalis]

What precisely do you mean? And are you 70+ years old?

It has happened since the 1990s and you do not have to be in your 70s to remember that far back.

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What precisely do you mean? And are you 70+ years old?

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It wasn't the communism, it was the migrants.

I know, right. The level of ignorance in this thread is shocking.

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Proportionally speaking, I'm not sure how non-European numbers could have remained the same after all the migrants year after year. Are native Europeans really that prolific? In that case the "aging population" argument for immigration seems to be inappropriate.

There's 500 million Europeans. 1 million migrants last year was the exception, not standard.
Our fertility rates are low but that can change. Numbers don't back that up.

[AeneasBK]

It has happened since the 1990s and you do not have to be in your 70s to remember that far back.

No, but I understood London in particular has endured wave after wave of migration since the 2nd world war; and I was questioning your authority to claim it was changing in your lifetime when it was changing years before you were born too. I was also wondering if you meant London overall or certain specific boroughs. I mean you're right London is changing, its mostly owned by wealthy Arabs now :P I don't think that was what you meant though.

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Our fertility rates are low but that can change. Numbers don't back that up.

Unless you mean "can get lower" I don't think they can...

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There's 500 million Europeans. 1 million migrants last year was the exception, not standard.
Our fertility rates are low but that can change. Numbers don't back that up.

Sweden took like 300k in 2 years. So... yeah. It's population replacement and these politicians who wish us harm needs to go.

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Really? Areas of London have changed in my lifetime and I am pretty confident that London is not unique in that respect.

London is a city that fully embraced the global economy. What would you expect?

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It wasn't the communism, it was the migrants.

It goes beyond communism.
Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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I know, right. The level of ignorance in this thread is shocking.

Look who's talking.

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Sweden took like 300k in 2 years. So... yeah. It's population replacement and these politicians who wish us harm needs to go.

Yeah population replacement... the fuck... what's this a bad cheap sci fi movie.

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It goes beyond communism.
Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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Look who's talking.

Someone who can do basic maths?

[Puupi]

No, but I understood London in particular has endured wave after wave of migration since the 2nd world war; and I was questioning your authority to claim it was changing in your lifetime when it was changing years before you were born too. I was also wondering if you meant London overall or certain specific boroughs. I mean you're right London is changing, its mostly owned by wealthy Arabs now :P I don't think that was what you meant though.

It used to be an English city. Now it has like 40%+ (40% foreign born, then you add second generation immigrants to that) immigrant population and when you add tourists to that, good luck finding an Englishman in London....

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Unless you mean "can get lower" I don't think they can...

They can. If the government is actually interested in that policy - see Poland, Hungary and few other countries who in late 00's made first steps and now they are reaping rewards of small but still an uptick in fertility rates.

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No, but I understood London in particular has endured wave after wave of migration since the 2nd world war; and I was questioning your authority to claim it was changing in your lifetime when it was changing years before you were born too. I was also wondering if you meant London overall or certain specific boroughs. I mean you're right London is changing, its mostly owned by wealthy Arabs now :P I don't think that was what you meant though.

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Unless you mean "can get lower" I don't think they can...

Fertily rates can change easily.

[Kalis]

No, but I understood London in particular has endured wave after wave of migration since the 2nd world war; and I was questioning your authority to claim it was changing in your lifetime when it was changing years before you were born too. I was also wondering if you meant London overall or certain specific boroughs. I mean you're right Londin is changing, its mostly owned by wealthy Arabs now :P I don't think that was what you meant though.

Not all London boroughs.

To give an example, in 2001 about a third of Newham residents were white British, that halved by 2011.

Net immigration levels hovered around 0 from 1975 to 1997, then jumped in the Blair-era and have been around 200-300k per year since.

[Kraenen]

There's 500 million Europeans. 1 million migrants last year was the exception, not standard.
Our fertility rates are low but that can change. Numbers don't back that up.

But are you saying that European fertility rates rose in the same proportional amount as soon as the migrants came? This seems unlikely, and is why you would have to accept my claim that proportionally speaking the demography has changed.

I'm not sure if this is the exception anymore. People have been saying it was a crisis for several years now, and there are only going to be more millions of economic migrants the more the word gets out that if you just make it across the mediterranean you'll be given a 1st world lifestyle as a subsidy for your existence.

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Yeah population replacement... the fuck... what's this a bad cheap sci fi movie.

Reality of mass immigration is what it is. Non-swedes have gone from like 13% to 30% in 30 years. Was 16% when I was growing up. Now entire areas are inhabited by mostly non-swedes here.

[Damajin]

Europe will be fine.

But Europeans won't.

[Puupi]

Reality of mass immigration is what it is. Non-swedes have gone from like 13% to 30% in 30 years. Was 16% when I was growing up. Now entire areas are inhabited by mostly non-swedes here.

And vast majority of those 13% were Finnish. Many of them have died already and Finns haven't been moving there since the 60's and 70's.