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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Dracula View Post
    The Thought Police Strike again!
    More specifically its LANGUAGE POLICE.

    Fascism 101 - when the authorities tell you what you can and cant say... George Orwell would be proud of this 1984 world we are creating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    The idea here is of course that encouraging a drunk chick to have sex with you, is rape, as she is not actually consenting to it. The rape culture is this culture where men think it's fine to have sex with a drunk chick and encourage her (this means she actually didn't really want to have sex, but being intoxicated you could easily 'convince' her to do it anyway) and that it's not rape. What men should do, is exchange numbers and call the drunk chick a taxi. If she really wanted to have sex with you, she'll call you.

    Having sex with a drunk chick that you need to encourage to have sex, is rape. Drunk people have a hard time saying no, and if someone needs encouraging, that really does mean she doesn't want it, but isn't (mentally) strong enough to resist.
    So the hot cougar who picked up my drunk ass at a bar raped me? SOB...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    The idea here is of course that encouraging a drunk chick to have sex with you, is rape, as she is not actually consenting to it. The rape culture is this culture where men think it's fine to have sex with a drunk chick and encourage her (this means she actually didn't really want to have sex, but being intoxicated you could easily 'convince' her to do it anyway) and that it's not rape. What men should do, is exchange numbers and call the drunk chick a taxi. If she really wanted to have sex with you, she'll call you.

    Having sex with a drunk chick that you need to encourage to have sex, is rape. Drunk people have a hard time saying no, and if someone needs encouraging, that really does mean she doesn't want it, but isn't (mentally) strong enough to resist.
    If two people are drunk and have sex who gets the blame..

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    While rape culture is a thing this was a really poor and hamfisted way of trying to call attention to it. Its often really subtle, perpetrated by confidence games and gaslighting. Its reinforced by unclear circumstances, perspective disagreements (he said/she said), unequipped or unwilling law enforcement, and status rewards for the perpetrator.

    It would have been better to have the guy talking to his friends ex post facto, cutting to a flashback of the actual situation of him pressuring the girl into sex (but in a way where she's actually scared to say no, and may only "consent" out of fear), and her friend knocking on the door asking if she was ok. That way you could see what doesn't line up even if the guy is technically telling the truth. Although that may be too long and nuanced for a 30sec commercial spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    The idea here is of course that encouraging a drunk chick to have sex with you, is rape, as she is not actually consenting to it. The rape culture is this culture where men think it's fine to have sex with a drunk chick and encourage her (this means she actually didn't really want to have sex, but being intoxicated you could easily 'convince' her to do it anyway) and that it's not rape. What men should do, is exchange numbers and call the drunk chick a taxi. If she really wanted to have sex with you, she'll call you.

    Having sex with a drunk chick that you need to encourage to have sex, is rape. Drunk people have a hard time saying no, and if someone needs encouraging, that really does mean she doesn't want it, but isn't (mentally) strong enough to resist.
    Heres an idea.... how about women take some damn responsibility for their own actions?

    In your world women can do whatever they like without consequence for their own actions... How about if a woman doesnt want to attract unwanted attention that she take some steps to look after her own wellbeing...

    And these fukkwit Feminists wonder why guys are avoiding ANY sexual contact with women nowadays... best for men to stay safe and keep away from women completely rather than get labelled a rapist and fukking up your whole life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    So the hot cougar who picked up my drunk ass at a bar raped me? SOB...
    If you needed encouragement to have sex with her, yes. If you loved the idea of banging a cougar, then no. It's not really rocket science, is it? Or maybe you are confused about men being able to be raped by women. It's happens, who knew?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trollhammer View Post
    If two people are drunk and have sex who gets the blame..
    Well, if they both needed to encourage the other, it means they both didn't really want to have sex and that just makes them idiots.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Archmage BloodElf4Life View Post
    Absolutely misleading and false. These scenario might happen, but they do not happen frequently enough to deserve the "rape culture" stigma. This is ridiculous.
    Doesn't happen frequently enough? About 20% of female undergraduates are sexually assaulted. 47% of college student sexual assaults involve alcohol. In 2013, more than 14,700 students between the ages of 18-24 were victims of alcohol related sexual assault. You're right though, doesn't happen enough. How many women have to be raped for it to be considered a "stigma". 50%? 75%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trollhammer View Post
    If two people are drunk and have sex who gets the blame..
    its always the mans fault... thats how Feminism works

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    If you needed encouragement to have sex with her, yes. If you loved the idea of banging a cougar, then no. It's not really rocket science, is it? Or maybe you are confused about men being able to be raped by women. It's happens, who knew?
    Talking someone into sex isn't rape, how matter how you spin it. If they say no or doesn't have the ability to say no then it's rape. Poor judgment doesn't= rape It's not rocket science is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Talking someone into sex isn't rape, how matter how you spin it. If they say no or doesn't have the ability to say no then it's rape. Poor judgment doesn't= rape It's not rocket science is it?
    Feminism says if a woman regrets having sex with a man then she is allowed to call it rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endemonadia View Post
    Heres an idea.... how about women take some damn responsibility for their own actions?

    In your world women can do whatever they like without consequence for their own actions... How about if a woman doesnt want to attract unwanted attention that she take some steps to look after her own wellbeing...
    So what you are saying is, women should not have a nice time and get drunk? Ever? Do you hear/read yourself?

    Do you make important decisions while drunk? I mean, really, would you sign a contract when drunk? I doubt it. And if you would, the person on the other side of the table would not allow you (unless it's a shady business). Yet you would have sex with a drunk chick who can't make a proper decision...

    Having sex with drunk chicks is fine. It is. But not when she needs encouraging. When a drunk person, who's inhibition is already lowered due to the alcohol, needs encouraging to have sex, that person doesn't really want it and is effectively saying no. How is that difficult to grasp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by talwynn View Post
    Doesn't happen frequently enough? About 20% of female undergraduates are sexually assaulted. 47% of college student sexual assaults involve alcohol. In 2013, more than 14,700 students between the ages of 18-24 were victims of alcohol related sexual assault. You're right though, doesn't happen enough. How many women have to be raped for it to be considered a "stigma". 50%? 75%?
    Start by analysing your definition of rape, and ask yourself whether or not "regret" count as rape.

    Being flirted with is not sexual harrasment. Having sex when both people are drunk is not a rape from the man.

    This situation happens in about 2% of the overall population, with men bing victims at a slightly higher rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    Well maybe they want to tell us that "rape culture" means the act of reinterpreting hypothetical interactions into something else by uninvolved third parties?
    Could be. Although if you scratch off the hypothetical part as a rigid requirement and you end up with the people that are contributing to rape culture actually being the people that see it everywhere. Mind = blown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Talking someone into sex isn't rape, how matter how you spin it. If they say no or doesn't have the ability to say no then it's rape. Poor judgment doesn't= rape It's not rocket science is it?
    Drunk people do not have the ability to say no. If drunk people, whose inhibitions are already lowered, need encouraging, they effectively say no. Clear now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by talwynn View Post
    Doesn't happen frequently enough? About 20% of female undergraduates are sexually assaulted. 47% of college student sexual assaults involve alcohol. In 2013, more than 14,700 students between the ages of 18-24 were victims of alcohol related sexual assault. You're right though, doesn't happen enough. How many women have to be raped for it to be considered a "stigma". 50%? 75%?
    *citation needed*

    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    Drunk people do not have the ability to say no.
    What? Are you serious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    Drunk people do not have the ability to say no. If drunk people, whose inhibitions are already lowered, need encouraging, they effectively say no. Clear now?
    Drunk people do have the ability to say no, just as they have the ability to be charged with murder when they get behind the wheel and kill someone. Under your bullshit thinking we will see people charged with rape because their partner drank some cough syrup.

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    You kids invent all kinds of silly social concepts and inflate them to be far bigger than they really are.

    All this is, is a classic case of the differences between a gentleman and an asshole.

    Of course the asshole is the one that usually ends up in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    So what you are saying is, women should not have a nice time and get drunk? Ever? Do you hear/read yourself?
    Not at all.. but in your world every time a woman has sex when shes drunk its called rape..

    Drunken sex isnt rape.

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    What a wishy-washy hopeful projection it is again. Stay classy, lonelies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    Drunk people do not have the ability to say no. If drunk people, whose inhibitions are already lowered, need encouraging, they effectively say no. Clear now?
    Man, if being drunk makes you so irresponsible as to lose your own agency, you really shouldn't either ever get drunk or let anyone else drink ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    Drunk people do not have the ability to say no. If drunk people, whose inhibitions are already lowered, need encouraging, they effectively say no. Clear now?
    "Drunk people do not have the ability to say no"

    and herelies your critical MISTAKE.

    This is not correct and never will be correct.

    There is no law that makes this distinction... NONE.

    Basically this is not a valid excuse in court. Sure, it will taken into account but it is not a defining factor.

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