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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleax View Post
    Maybie Ogres could come as a neutral race, then you choose your faction. Ogres in Horde will be like your regular Ogres, in the Alliance, they will be Stormwind's shock troopers, dumb, but strong shocktroopers nonetheless. :/
    They could look at something like Warhammer, which has Ogres as their own kingdom and they basically operate as mercenaries, serving the various factions for money. Set up the starting experience like the Pandarens where you choose which side to join after the intro stuff, with maybe the motivations fleshed out more. Hell, it would tie in to the way Ogres were at times shown in Warcraft 3, being mercenaries being hired from the Taverns.

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    There was never a question of which race is really viable to be playable, especially if it is in abundance or equals the population of say Blood Elves or Forsaken in lore. Ogres are plentiful, and while naturally stupid are still very interesting. They don't naturally belong to Horde or Alliance is the issue -- just like how Goblins weren't loyal to one side or the other. Blizzard would have to make up something akin to Pandaren or Goblins to really drive the point home, whether they want to be faction divided or one side only.

    I think everyone expects Naga and Ogres to be the next playable races at this point, maybe Vrykul or Nightborne. I haven't really seen any other race in abundance of support or population to really justify them being 'playable'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    They don't naturally belong to Horde
    are you serious with this? genuine question, cause they actually do naturally belong to the horde lol

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    For WoD all the Ogres in Draenor got nice shiny new models, and with that I'm very surprised they weren't used to introduce the Ogres into the horde, perhaps as a part-way resistance of the Iron Horde and others from Azeroth. That said, I feel like the Female Ogre will absolutely be Blizzard's opportunity to introduce a big, imposing, muscular almost vrykully female race for the horde. On that note, give Alliance the Vrykul, they're ancestors of the humans ffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    are you serious with this? genuine question, cause they actually do naturally belong to the horde lol
    No they do not, they originate from Draenor and a lot of their clans don't have anything to do with the horde. Or rather, have anything positive to do with them.

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    I honestly still think that ogres and arrakoa were intended to be playable in WoD before the expansion got cut to pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    If Ogres went to the Alliance, the Horde race could be a small one. As if is now, the Horde/Alliance size ratio tips largely to the Horde.
    if you want a taller race take the vrykul, those make way more sense, and would fit much more to alliance than ogres
    Ah got it. @Lemonpartyfan, like I said, Ogres could be Neutral (like Pandaren). Imo Ogres shouldn't be made an only alliance race. Horde players would complain Wtf Ogres are in alliance???

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapefruitsnz View Post
    They could look at something like Warhammer, which has Ogres as their own kingdom and they basically operate as mercenaries, serving the various factions for money. Set up the starting experience like the Pandarens where you choose which side to join after the intro stuff, with maybe the motivations fleshed out more. Hell, it would tie in to the way Ogres were at times shown in Warcraft 3, being mercenaries being hired from the Taverns.
    Agreeing with this 100%. Indeed, I know too the Warhammer thingy. In W40K also, Ogres, or Ogryn, are used as highly disruptive right in your face elite shock troops by the Humans (the Imperial Guard), and they fear the dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForrestAnthony View Post
    On that note, give Alliance the Vrykul, they're ancestors of the humans ffs.
    Interestingly enough both vrykul and naga have res skeletons that were added in Legion and are the only non playable races with said skeletons. They are also one of the few races that actually have the mouseover text say their race when you transform into them with an item. Either these are remnants of early plans for Legion or are 'worgen masks' (worgen masks were accidentally included in the Wrath files months before Cata's announcement) and are hints of what's to come.

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    The ogres don't seem to reproduce the same as other races. We haven't ever seen a female in-game. There is mention of an Island of only female ogres somewhere in Azeroth through the Jewel crafting daily quest back in cata. I wonder if ogres are more like dragons or bees. They have a Queen that gives birth to everyone or if they still lay eggs like some of the subspecies. New lore from Draenor states they are mutant of Gronn Devolving all the way down to orcs.

    Anyways if they do make them playable just keep it male only. Giving you the option for one or 2 heads with different racial bonuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    if you want a taller race take the vrykul, those make way more sense, and would fit much more to alliance than ogres

    and the horde don't wanna or need a small race, we have goblins and they are barely played, we don't need Homogenize the factions, they are different, for different tastes and should stay like that, we already have belfs and worgens to make things different, and thats enough
    Nah, not enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    are you serious with this? genuine question, cause they actually do naturally belong to the horde lol
    You mean as slaves? Yeah, sorry, that doesn't mean anything in current WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleax View Post
    Ah got it. @Lemonpartyfan, like I said, Ogres could be Neutral (like Pandaren). Imo Ogres shouldn't be made an only alliance race. Horde players would complain Wtf Ogres are in alliance???
    Honestly, I don't care about that very much. Ogres COULD fit into the Alliance. It would be a good balance change, as most Alliance races are smaller and thinner with a more "delicate" look on life. Worgen brought something new to the Alliance and so could Ogres. I also don't think Horde players (that would be upset about this) would be okay with neutral either. You can't please everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    No they do not, they originate from Draenor and a lot of their clans don't have anything to do with the horde. Or rather, have anything positive to do with them.
    the are ogres who are part of the horde who invade the azeroth, they again, enter the Horde back in warcraft 3, one clan become horde in WoW, the ogres much like Any other race ( and more than some we have) have strong bonds with the Horde, they actually belongs to the horde


    Quote Originally Posted by Aleax View Post
    Ah got it. @Lemonpartyfan, like I said, Ogres could be Neutral (like Pandaren). Imo Ogres shouldn't be made an only alliance race. Horde players would complain Wtf Ogres are in alliance???
    no neutral races, blizz said they dont want to that anymore, and this is a damn waste, why add one race and rip their lore, when we can have 2 with more lore, more conflicts and etc? to hell with the homogenization of factions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post


    You mean as slaves? Yeah, sorry, that doesn't mean anything in current WoW.
    are you serious too? rofl there are ogres in the horde already, they just aren't playable, yet
    Last edited by Syegfryed; 2017-04-10 at 04:04 AM.

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    Well Ogres as alliance would fit (my viewpoint), Ogres as Horde would fit. Both as mercenaries. Imo, make it a neutral race, or if Blizzard doesn't want neutral races anymore, don't introduce it as playable at all. Also, in Parenthesis, small races doesn't mean weak races to me.

    To convince that a tall race doesn't make it omnipotent, there's still our green friend (he not a goblin):
    https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/im...0%2C1200%2C675

    Blizzard just needs to be creative for the small races to be introduced, like always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leviathonlx View Post
    Interestingly enough both vrykul and naga have res skeletons that were added in Legion and are the only non playable races with said skeletons. They are also one of the few races that actually have the mouseover text say their race when you transform into them with an item. Either these are remnants of early plans for Legion or are 'worgen masks' (worgen masks were accidentally included in the Wrath files months before Cata's announcement) and are hints of what's to come.
    I can't help but think that they are actually the opposite of Worgen masks.
    Think about it. Their new skeletons are good, but still don't contain every animation a player model would use (Naga notably still can't even jump). They also came alongside new HD Naga and Vrykul models, which again are very nice and again also aren't player standard, nor have the customisation features of a player model.
    If Blizzard were imminently going to make Naga and Vrykul playable, then making a new skeleton and a new model in this expansion only to replace it with another in the next would be terribly inefficient. I believe that this addition actually makes playable Vrykul or Naga less likely until at least the expansion after next.

    It does imply that they'll be sticking around for a while though. If there is a need for Naga and Vrykul to be able to support expressive NPCs that there wasnt before, you can expect more of them next expansion. Just not as player characters.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Requimortem View Post
    Considering he's a fictional character, that's hardly surprising. Other races have suffered the same or worse but still managed to evolve their tactics, technology, etc. Ogres just try to smash everything they see.
    Where did this stereotype come from? Ogres have been known to master arcane magics better than those that teach them. They've seen the creation of shamanism and took it for themselves to experiment with. They created red pox to dismantle orc armies and have been tactical enough to fight back any enemy that's threatened their species. Only two things have ever stopped them in their tracks: The elements all ganging up on them to stop their terror, and Velen + his highly advanced sorcerers who stopped what remained of escaped Highmaul ogres after the elemental attack. Those two attacks led ogres to all be split up into tiny clans that could only do so much to defend themselves, which is why you never see a tactical army of ogres today, but rather some ogres as part of enemy armies to stay safe or as part of Horde units/Horde servants.

    Ogres are not stupid creatures. They don't teach one another like the rest of the races do, but their ability to learn when being taught is dangerous. They're also not always fat - their culture supports fatness as a sign of wealth, like Ethiopians. Unwealthy ogres are muscly with little fat. Mages would need two heads though, as ogres born without two heads can replicate being born with one and eventually grow it to increase their magical abilities and intellect. Ogres are probably the most bad-ass race in this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleax View Post
    Well Ogres as alliance would fit (my viewpoint), Ogres as Horde would fit. Both as mercenaries. Imo, make it a neutral race, or if Blizzard doesn't want neutral races anymore, don't introduce it as playable at all
    or you know, they can do something they usually do, just introduce one race for each faction

    goblins are damn mercenaries who love gold above all, yet, they are only playable on horde side, and not neutral, just imagine how poor would be if they put goblins as neutral back in cataclysm, and we do not have worgens, what a waste and poor lore writing would be,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felrane View Post
    The ogres don't seem to reproduce the same as other races. We haven't ever seen a female in-game.
    We had no female Tauren, Trolls and Dwarfs before vanilla WoW
    We had no female Eredar (Draenei) before TBC
    We had no female Worgen before Cata
    And we had no female Pandaren before MoP

    So its pretty normal to not have a female version before the race becomes playable and it gives blizzard the creative freedom to come up with something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    are you serious too? rofl there are ogres in the horde already, they just aren't playable, yet
    This doesn't counter an argument against adding Ogres to the Alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeyGuysHello View Post
    Where did this stereotype come from? Ogres have been known to master arcane magics better than those that teach them. They've seen the creation of shamanism and took it for themselves to experiment with. They created red pox to dismantle orc armies and have been tactical enough to fight back any enemy that's threatened their species. Only two things have ever stopped them in their tracks: The elements all ganging up on them to stop their terror, and Velen + his highly advanced sorcerers who stopped what remained of escaped Highmaul ogres after the elemental attack. Those two attacks led ogres to all be split up into tiny clans that could only do so much to defend themselves, which is why you never see a tactical army of ogres today, but rather some ogres as part of enemy armies to stay safe or as part of Horde units/Horde servants.

    Ogres are not stupid creatures. They don't teach one another like the rest of the races do, but their ability to learn when being taught is dangerous. They're also not always fat - their culture supports fatness as a sign of wealth, like Ethiopians. Unwealthy ogres are muscly with little fat. Mages would need two heads though, as ogres born without two heads can replicate being born with one and eventually grow it to increase their magical abilities and intellect. Ogres are probably the most bad-ass race in this game.
    Yeah, you're not biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    This doesn't counter an argument against adding Ogres to the Alliance.
    dont counter only if you are too blind to see
    Last edited by Syegfryed; 2017-04-11 at 01:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selvarion View Post
    They just need to scrap the factions, would make writing new races/classes/everything easier if they don't have to shoehorn in "OH and war between the factions too1!!!"
    yes i couldn't agree more about that. the alliance/horde thing is really outdated

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