New York Passes Free College Tuition Bill

[oplawlz]

"My socialism is ok but the socialism that helps you can fuck right off"

Being paid to do a job is not socialism. The benefits awarded employees of any organization are part of the pay.

[Theinquisition]

Would you prefer they be retarded Reaganites instead and believe that money will magically trickle down from the sky?

Its preferable to those that believe its okay for the government to hold a gun to someones head and make them pay for direct benefits to you, that you should be paying for yourself

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Being paid to do a job is not socialism. The benefits awarded employees of any organization are part of the pay.

Someone on this forum gets it, there's hope yet.

[GennGreymane]

I notice you didnt address my statement.

Given your statement about "kids playing hero overseas"

Yes i do think you have issues with veterans, why else would you make that statement.

I don't but you seem to have issues with people who have different ideologies with various insults throughout this thread as evidence. So take the moral high ground another day when you earn it.

[Wyrt]

Its preferable to those that believe its okay for the government to hold a gun to someones head and make them pay for direct benefits to you, that you should be paying for yourself

Education is a benefit to society, not just individuals. Just like roads, transportation, and healthcare.

[cubby]

Full story:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/educatio...ollege-n744561

You have to be a resident, take 30 credit hours a year, and promise to work in the state after you graduate for X amount of time.

Absolutely fantastic. Way to set the standard New York.

[unfilteredJW]

Being paid to do a job is not socialism. The benefits awarded employees of any organization are part of the pay.

That's true and I was wrong to equate the two. And hopefully it's not taken as I don't think veterans deserve what they get (they deserve more).

I just let his usual "fuck everyone else" attitude get the better of me today, and made the fatal internet mistake of going with a fail allegory.

[Tijuana]

Absolutely fantastic. Way to set the standard New York.

It depends on how it's written. There used to be programs where small towns paid to educate doctors who would then live and work in the small town. But, so many doctors didn't hold up their end of the deal, the programs have mostly disappeared. This New York law will need some teeth. There is also the issue of what degree do they get, and what if there is no need for it? What if you can't get a job in NY with said degree? What then? Say for example you get a degree in dance therapy, but there are no jobs that require that degree. Are you required to live in NY and do just any old job, instead of using your degree in another city?

[Theinquisition]

It depends on how it's written. There used to be programs where small towns paid to educate doctors who would then live and work in the small town. But, so many doctors didn't hold up their end of the deal, the programs have mostly disappeared. This New York law will need some teeth. There is also the issue of what degree do they get, and what if there is no need for it? What if you can't get a job in NY with said degree? What then? Say for example you get a degree in dance therapy, but there are no jobs that require that degree. Are you required to live in NY and do just any old job, instead of using your degree in another city?

Valid concerns

[Tijuana]

Valid concerns

If nothing else, this should solve all of their low population problems! People will flock to NY lol...

[Mirrass]

Covering college tuition in this way is all well and good, general community can afford to pay to hold well educated employees hostage for a period of years. It's not a terrible way to execute this love of free college people are hooked on...........Where can I say that my tax money only goes to pay for USEFUL degrees? Pay for kids to go through STEM fields yea I can rationalize the increase in taxes. Sure as hell not paying for my neighbor's arts or humanities degree.

[Theinquisition]

That's true and I was wrong to equate the two. And hopefully it's not taken as I don't think veterans deserve what they get (they deserve more).

I just let his usual "fuck everyone else" attitude get the better of me today, and made the fatal internet mistake of going with a fail allegory.

I dont know if you're refering to me or not, but i never said fuck anyone else. In fact ive said several times on this thread that im okay with subsidizing some post secondary education

[unfilteredJW]

I dont know if you're refering to me or not, but i never said fuck anyone else. In fact ive said several times on this thread that im okay with subsidizing some post secondary education

I have your posting history to fall back on.

[PACOX]

It depends on how it's written. There used to be programs where small towns paid to educate doctors who would then live and work in the small town. But, so many doctors didn't hold up their end of the deal, the programs have mostly disappeared. This New York law will need some teeth. There is also the issue of what degree do they get, and what if there is no need for it? What if you can't get a job in NY with said degree? What then? Say for example you get a degree in dance therapy, but there are no jobs that require that degree. Are you required to live in NY and do just any old job, instead of using your degree in another city?

I haven't seen anything that says what kind of what you have to do, just that you have to work the number of years you borrowed for. Which kind of makes sense. Some degrees could pay off their debt in a year, even at the undergrad level, whereas a teacher will need all 4 years to pay and maybe some.

[Theinquisition]

Education is a benefit to society, not just individuals. Just like roads, transportation, and healthcare.

In some instances yes, it benefits society as a whole. Not in all circumstances though, and it doesn't address the core of the problem, fixing the affordability of college.

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I don't but you seem to have issues with people who have different ideologies with various insults throughout this thread as evidence. So take the moral high ground another day when you earn it.

Lol okay big fella, show me who i insulted before you made your dumbass comment.

[Wyrt]

In some instances yes, it benefits society as a whole. Not in all circumstances though, and it doesn't address the core of the problem, fixing the affordability of college.

If the government is paying for it that means the government would be negotiating the price. They have significantly more power to do that than individuals.

[Tijuana]

I haven't seen anything that says what kind of what you have to do, just that you have to work the number of years you borrowed for. Which kind of makes sense. Some degrees could pay off their debt in a year, even at the undergrad level, whereas a teacher will need all 4 years to pay and maybe some.

But, what of the lesbian dance therapy major? What if they can't get a job in New York, using that degree? Then what? Are they forced to work at a New York news stand for the duration? What happens when there is no job for them with their degree in New York, but there is a job somewhere else?

[unfilteredJW]

The degree in basket weaving comments are, as always, totally amusing.

[Theinquisition]

I have your posting history to fall back on.

Than link some direct quotes, im sure ive said several times in this thread what my feelings are on this topic.

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If the government is paying for it that means the government would be negotiating the price. They have significantly more power to do that than individuals.

Because government price controls never ever backfire......

[Wyrt]

Because government price controls never ever backfire......

How are we going to reduce college costs without the government being involved? Students don't have any power in this situation.

[schwank05]

Soo, what about the rest of the residents that got hardcore fucked over by overpriced tuition and have gigantic student loans are they going to forgive them also? One of the best things to happen would be if the Government bought Navient and forgave all student loans to people working in their field of study. Then you would see people pouring money into other things.