Japanese warships to join US fleet near North Korea as tensions rise

[Noomz]

A large scale war is imminent in Asia. Obama tried to postpone it, trump lacks the skills to solve it peacefully but will go "head on".

No there ain't. This shit's been going on for decades. Stop the doomsday crap.

[Rothg]

North Korea doesn't have capability to actually go to war with anyone. They're a very weak and poor country, which is the entire reason they constantly threaten with nukes - they have no other way to project power. In any war involving troops or armor, they would be obliterated very quickly. Their entire projection of trigger finger insanity is a charade they're desperately trying to hold up in place of actual power projection. Their 'insanity' is a calculated ploy to try and counter their geographic limitations, they know exactly what they're doing and they are not insane.

Their goal with this being to simply to keep the standard of living for the 'Royalty' in NK?

[Wyrt]

We arent socialists in europe tho, we got social programs but far from socialist.

I know, but the crazy right wing nut jobs seem to think having any social program makes a country socialist. That's why I put socialism in quotations.

[CellarDoor]

This is such a dumb mentality. Look at all the other countries that have far better quality of lives for all their citizens than the US. All if then have social security plans and socialist helathcare.

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Australia's tax rate is lower than the US but don't let that get in the way of your bad story.

Ethnic European and cultural European homogeneity are absolutely necessary for socialism to work. You need a population WIDELY willing to work for the good of the state. Non culturally and or non ethnically homogenous nations consistently have horrible experiences with socialism. Look at Venezuela and Latin America in general.

Hint: The US is not ethnically or culturally homogenous since the 1960's. You fools missed your chance.

[Garnier Fructis]

Ethnic European and cultural European homogeneity are absolutely necessary for socialism to work. You need a population WIDELY willing to work for the good of the state. Non culturally and or non ethnically homogenous nations consistently have horrible experiences with socialism. Look at Venezuela and Latin America in general.

Hint: The US is not ethnically or culturally homogenous since the 1960's. You fools missed your chance.

There's a giant gap in the logic of taking an observation and declaring it to be a necessary condition without further justification.

[Ghostpanther]

Considering he's demonstrated his preference for being advised by fox and friends and infowars level news and ignoring those advisers do you really want to keep defending his stupidity? Any information that disagrees with what he's decided is reality is "fake".

You also woefully underestimate how much the U.S. has benefited from our arrangements with China and horrendously overestimate how much they've benefited. We are getting a vastly better deal than they are.

I disagree. We have a huge trade deficit with China. They are willing to help with N. Korea because they do not want to jeopardize their gravy train from the US. They know Trump is not Obama and things have changed.

I have mixed feelings about the missile strikes on Assad air bases. As I posted before. I think there were better solutions available. But it still did send a strong message, even if I am in disagreement of it. I am however in total agreement with a show of force off the coast of N.Korea and the dropping of the MOAB in Afghanistan.

[NED funded]

Considering he's demonstrated his preference for being advised by fox and friends and infowars level news and ignoring those advisers do you really want to keep defending his stupidity? Any information that disagrees with what he's decided is reality is "fake".

You also woefully underestimate how much the U.S. has benefited from our arrangements with China and horrendously overestimate how much they've benefited. We are getting a vastly better deal than they are.

I think the contrary is happening. People vastly underestimate the negatives.

[ShimmerSwirl]

Considering he's demonstrated his preference for being advised by fox and friends and infowars level news and ignoring those advisers do you really want to keep defending his stupidity? Any information that disagrees with what he's decided is reality is "fake".

You also woefully underestimate how much the U.S. has benefited from our arrangements with China and horrendously overestimate how much they've benefited. We are getting a vastly better deal than they are.

How do you think countries like China, Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan etc manage to ship their cheap goods to markets willing to pay for them? Those countries have gotten fat and rich the last 70 years doing this, what stopped them from engaging in this type of free trade much earlier and becoming global powers alongside France, England and others? Oh thats right, they have no ability to ship goods anywhere on their own. They are completely dependent on the US navy to guard their cargo ships.

The US created this arrangement as a tool to ally the whole world with them against the Soviets, and it worked. But if the US stops providing that service the rest of the world is going to suffer far more than they will. What does a country like Malaysia do when they can't reliable import or export anything? China is no different. Free trade as we know it is held together by the US navy.

[Misuteri]

Yeah, lets start more wars

Guess what, it's an ongoing war.

The Korean war never ended.

[GennGreymane]

Guess what, it's an ongoing war.

The Korean war never ended.

fair point

[Powerogue]

Surely all China would have to do is tell NK, loud and clear, "if you get into a war, we're not getting involved", that'd be more than enough to tone down their leader's threats? Why haven't they done that yet?

[Sazabius]

The US is a global empire, no doubt, but to say what they do now is just for profit is incomplete. They do destabilize some, and they strengthen others. Their entire foreign policy is to keep the rest of the world fighting against each other so no other global power can arise. Is this done for profit? In part, yes. There's no doubt US energy firms have profited hugely from having access to global markets that is granted by the military empire of the US. But I would not say that the policy itself is designed to pursue wealth, wealth is a byproduct of it. The real aim is to preserve the US mainland longterm by preventing another power from rising.

IMO the biggest threat in Asia the US is worried about longterm is Japan. They are the only other naval power in the world, and their archipelago status dictates that they will require huge amounts of imported goods and energy to function. If something causes their supply chains to break down, particularly their energy chain from the Persian Gulf, they are going to become aggressive to rescue them. And they are one country that actually can do some damage when they become aggressive, much more so than China or Korea.

Uh, Japan has a tiny standing army, it's basically a coast guard. The US has basically served as Japan's military since WW2, hence all the bases and ships in the area. Seriously, if you are going to make shit up at least base it in fact.

[ShimmerSwirl]

Uh, Japan has a tiny standing army, it's basically a coast guard. The US has basically served as Japan's military since WW2, hence all the bases and ships in the area. Seriously, if you are going to make shit up at least base it in fact.

Japan is not going to be occupying anyone, thats not what im saying. It's their navy that gives them heft. To adhere with requirements of various treaties they have signed, they cannot list the official tonnage of many of their ships, or they categorize them differently from what they actually are. Their navy is far stronger in reality than it appears on paper.

[Artaxerxes]

Japan is not going to be occupying anyone, thats not what im saying. It's their navy that gives them heft. To adhere with requirements of various treaties they have signed, they cannot list the official tonnage of many of their ships, or they categorize them differently from what they actually are. Their navy is far stronger in reality than it appears on paper.

wat?

so how come uncle sam has to hold their hand just like with those lazy Europeans who don't even want to pay for their own protection?

what is it with people and basing Japan's so called military might on cartoons?

[ShimmerSwirl]

wat?

so how come uncle sam has to hold their hand just like with those lazy Europeans who don't even want to pay for their own protection?

what is it with people and basing Japan's so called military might on cartoons?

Uncle Sam holds everyones hand because only a fool would refuse the offer. Japan just doesn't need the hand holding as much as the others do.

[Kellhound]

Uh, Japan has a tiny standing army, it's basically a coast guard. The US has basically served as Japan's military since WW2, hence all the bases and ships in the area. Seriously, if you are going to make shit up at least base it in fact.

The Japanese Navy is larger than the Royal Navy or the French Navy by tonnage, with 4 helicopter carriers, 26 destroyers, 10 frigates, 6 corvettes, and 19 subs. The Japanese army has 700 MBTs and 150,000 troops. The Japanese air force has 288 fighters and 17 AWACS planes.

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Japan is not going to be occupying anyone, thats not what im saying. It's their navy that gives them heft. To adhere with requirements of various treaties they have signed, they cannot list the official tonnage of many of their ships, or they categorize them differently from what they actually are. Their navy is far stronger in reality than it appears on paper.

The only JMSDF ships that are officially classified oddly are the 4 helicopter carriers that are classified as helicopter destroyers despite having minimal armament (especially the 27,000t Izumos).

[Deleted]

Hey guys, this might seem like a silly question but, how hard would it be for us to just take out kim and his high ranking fellows? and would that actually help?

[Sykol]

I smell a heel turn incoming. Japan is going to Scavengers us.

[Mifuyne]

Deploy the aqua mobile suits!
Z'gok move out!

[TheFirstOnes]

Japan, The US, and China joining us against NK?

I like that....