Alberta man gets 4.5 years in prison in sex tourism case

[Tennis]

He should appeal the ruling. This man should be free.

Not according to the Irish.

[Powerogue]

Maybe I just think our sentences are overkill in general, but 4.5 years still seems like plenty. Hell, by the time he gets out of prison, if the girl wanted, she'd be old enough to consent by that point.

[Torto]

Maybe I just think our sentences are overkill in general, but 4.5 years still seems like plenty. Hell, by the time he gets out of prison, if the girl wanted, she'd be old enough to consent by that point.

Agreed, I'm not disputing the conviction but it does seem a little harsh. Remember, only a few short centuries ago 14 yo girls were being married off and having babies.

[Ghostpanther]

Agreed, I'm not disputing the conviction but it does seem a little harsh. Remember, only a few short centuries ago 14 yo girls were being married off and having babies.

They were also treated like shit. Considered property. Did not even have the right to vote. :P

[Super Kami Dende]

Agreed, I'm not disputing the conviction but it does seem a little harsh. Remember, only a few short centuries ago 14 yo girls were being married off and having babies.

Still happens today.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Maybe I just think our sentences are overkill in general, but 4.5 years still seems like plenty. Hell, by the time he gets out of prison, if the girl wanted, she'd be old enough to consent by that point.

And if he had just waited that 4.5 years beforehand...he wouldn't be going to prison now.

Though...since this all happened back in 2013 when she was 14...she will be old enough to consent sometime this year...if she isn't already.

[xGLxAnubis]

The law says a person of that age is incapable of admitting consent, therefore the sex wasn't consensual.

Legally consensual and realistically consensual are different things. Claiming all 14 years don't have the mental capacity to consent is naive; just as claiming that all 18 year olds do. Legally we need a line, of course, but trying to claim that because the law says she can't consent it means that in reality she can't, is a pedantic and short sighted argument.

[dvaz]

Sounds like it was mutual. Dont see the outrage.
if any dude should be free /shrug.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

You are saying yes to circular reason. That's bad!

Any Age of Consent laws are going to be somewhat arbitrary by nature. Just like Voting Age, Drinking Age, Enlistment Age, etc.

[Stelio Kontos]

He should've gotten a harsher sentence.

I'm 35 myself, and can't fathom the degree of degeneration required for a man near my age to want to sleep with a girl he knows is still a minor.

[Stelio Kontos]

"I can't imagine myself doing that" is not a good legal argument.

Not saying it is. Just saying I don't understand how degenerates think.

[mickybrighteyes]

The law says a person of that age is incapable of admitting consent, therefore the sex wasn't consensual.

wait... that wasn't in the Tea video... so now someone else can decide whether or not I want tea?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

"I can't imagine myself doing that" is not a good legal argument.

Neither is "Yeah but she wanted it"

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wait... that wasn't in the Tea video... so now someone else can decide whether or not I want tea?

No, you can decide you want tea...but legally nobody can serve you tea.

[Kuntantee]

a god damn pedophile is in prison, whats the problem?

[Mormolyce]

From the exact link you posted:

The guy lied about his age and then he lied about ceasing contact with the girl, beyond the fact that she is unable to give legal consent due to her age the man was clearly being dishonest to both the girl and her father.

Isn't that saying he lied to the father? Which obviously he would. I don't know how he could lie to the daughter, you can see from the picture he's not passing for anything under 30.

The fact that they continued the relationship obviously implies she's still participating.

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I will go with what the law is in the US States. Good enough for me. 14 is certainly too young. In some states, I think as young as 16 can be the legal age of sexual penetration. Some states it is 18. But no way is 14. But I have not looked those up for while, so my memory may be foggy.

But I guess personally if we decide a person is not a adult until age 18, then that is the age it should be. But some states I know have laws which have exceptions if the two involved are also under age. As in two 17 year olds having sex. But in none is a 34 year old fart having sex with a 14 year old going to be ok. :P

So if you have consensual sex with a 16 year old girl in Massachusetts where the age is 16, then move to California where it's 18... were you retroactively sexually abusing her?

P.S. In the US the range is 16-18 generally, but many states have exceptions which Americans seem to refer to as "Romeo and Juliet laws" (based on a popular misconception about them) which can lower the age below that based on the age gap between participants.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Well, that can be a good argument.

Not with statutory rape.

[Phlegethon]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/alberta...case-1.3367070

Seriously? Only 4.5 years for this?
What's going on with these short sentences!

If it was a woman there would have been no sentence...
Or maybe a few months probation.
If she got pregnant while raping a boy, he would have had to pay alimony too.

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So if you have consensual sex with a 16 year old girl in Massachusetts where the age is 16, then move to California where it's 18... were you retroactively sexually abusing her?

Did you not know that consensual sex can be turned into rape years later by a woman, if she wants...
Funny how that goes.
(oh and when you are both drunk it is always the male that raped the woman, not the other way around, just so we're clear)

[Ghostpanther]

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So if you have consensual sex with a 16 year old girl in Massachusetts where the age is 16, then move to California where it's 18... were you retroactively sexually abusing her?

P.S. In the US the range is 16-18 generally, but many states have exceptions which Americans seem to refer to as "Romeo and Juliet laws" (based on a popular misconception about them) which can lower the age below that based on the age gap between participants.

No, because I would have committed the act while in Mass. duh.

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I cannot say for sure. Has it worked for him?

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I strongly disagree with setting the age of consent so high. Sometimes i think degenerates have made the law, but, i remind myself we are all human.

He was sentenced to 4.5 years in prison. I would say it did not work for him. :P

You can disagree until your face turns red, not going to change what the law is. And why would degenerates set the law what you think is too high? If anything, they would want to lower it.

[Wildtree]

a god damn pedophile is in prison, whats the problem?

Pedophilia cuts off at 13.
Just to make this part a bit clear, what we looking at would be likely a case of Hebephilia. There's a difference, a significant one.

People wondering about the sentencing.
Yeah, well, understandable for one thing.. But then, on the other hand.
Rehabilitation is the primary goal in most modern countries, and I would think Canada being one of them.
We simply don't approach crimes with the mindset of retribution and incapacitating being the most important parts.
We instead try to correct the person that wronged, try to rehabilitate them to become normal members of the society again.
Against narrow minded belief, people do not repeat crimes if handled properly.
Locking someone up forever is the sure path to a lifelong career as criminal and a costly one for the society on top.
So, 4.5 years might sound low, but might just be enough to get the guy back on the right track. I assume he will receive psychological support as well while imprisoned.

[Sunseeker]

No, you can decide you want tea...but legally nobody can serve you tea.

Not entirely true. She could have been served tea by another person her age. Granted I may be rusty on my AoC laws, but typically two minors can fuck their brains out when they're both under the AoC and its perfectly legal.