Azeroth's Warning (Spoilers)

[micwini]

Something called an echo. Chronicle makes it clear old gods can die. Gotta love an ego,

Sure, just like that one old god that was basically completely destroyed completely but his heart, but still could influence through that. They can die, but that doesn't mean they're dead. Sorry that sounds weird, but I hope you know what I mean by that

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Do they drop loot, though

That means we'll never run out!

[purebalance]

More just forshadowing stuff that we don't knowo about or messing with us. More likely then him(or it) being salty.

I mean 99% of boss quotes are just that: A boss just talking shit and nothing more.

[Orisai]

Weren't people told repeatedly that we only killed their avatars and not their actual selves numerous times? Sorta like how we're gonna kill Sargeras's avatar and not actually Sargeras himself.

I believe what we "killed" were just the outer appendixes of the Old Gods. The only one Old God that was truly killed for good was Y'Shaarj when we destroyed his heart fighting Garrosh. Remember C'thun? He was "killed" not only once, but TWICE (the first time took a titan's life, and the second was during the War of the Shifting Sands), yet he was almost fully recovered when Med'an battled Cho'gall.

Old Gods upon setting on a world, spread like cancer, seeking the planet's core where a nascent world-soul would be. We don't know how big are they, but they seem to be MASSIVE, as they can't be destroyed without taking a portion of the planet itself with them. When Ra defeated Y'Shaarj's body, it caused a wound from which the Well of Eternity originated. He didn't kill the Old God, as his heart wasn't destroyed but imprisoned.

The only way we could stop them once and for all, is destroying their hearts.

[Magical Mudcrab]

Using logic makes someone a fanboy? ohwell.

It's not really logic. The Old Gods have consistently been incorrect in their assessments of how things would unfold, and their "predictions" are always based on what they believe will happen should their plans come to fruition, which has never happened. The only accurate information they have told us is what has been, never really what will be. They want to play off the idea that they are something more than what they are, but all they are is parasites. Nothing more, nothing less. There's no reason to think that their predictions will ever come true.

So beings who have been imprisoned by the Titans/Keepers, who have orchestrated the fall and corruption of everything in the world that the Titans and Keepers set in place, from their prisons no less... are not cunning, manipulative or insidious at all... ok

The only Old Gods to manipulate the Titan Keepers effectively was Yogg-saron. However, Yogg-saron's assessment of the situation and predictions on how it would unfold were incorrect. He did not foresee anything that occurred up to the point of his death, even though he was seemingly aware of what was occurring in Northrend. Moreover, his plan was poorly conceived, suicidal at best, as he either did not know or did not care that Algalon would be dispatched, potentially leading to Titan intervention (who he did not know were dead).

Meanwhile the Legion and Sargeras who have free reign over the universe, keep failing horribly against this world over and over. Almost every dialogue from a Demon is just stupid boasting before they are killed. Boasting of how they've destroyed countless worlds and how they're gonna kill you, but just die. They're lucky they get unlimited do-overs.

That's why the Legion is a potent threat. Individually, demons are fairly weak. It's the fact that they have large, nigh-unending hoards of them which causes them to be a threat. Sure, you have some like Kil'jaeden and Archimonde who are particularly powerful, but the average demon isn't. Moreover, the majority of the Legion not understanding the threat Azeroth poses to them is to be expected. We have seen multiple demons and Legion constructs that are supposed to have been in charge of, or part of the destruction of entire worlds. Why would Azeroth be different?

10/10 Archimonde, best plan ever...

You are mocking him, but the plan itself wasn't a bad one. No one saw that one coming.
I'm not saying that the Legion hasn't consistently been unable to follow through with their plans, but acting like the Old Gods are any better is incredibly stupid.

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I believe what we "killed" were just the outer appendixes of the Old Gods. The only one Old God that was truly killed for good was Y'Shaarj when we destroyed his heart fighting Garrosh. Remember C'thun? He was "killed" not only once, but TWICE (the first time took a titan's life, and the second was during the War of the Shifting Sands), yet he was almost fully recovered when Med'an battled Cho'gall.

Old Gods can be killed. We've killed Yogg-saron and C'thun, all that remains of them is echos, similar to how the Sha remained after Y'shaarj died.
A Titan did not fight C'thun, Ra and his anubisath did.

He didn't kill the Old God, as his heart wasn't destroyed but imprisoned.

The heart was sealed away by the Keepers because it was a source of corruption.

[Krazzorx]

I'm just glad they finally added in the Burning Legion's failures as something to be recognized as seen in the 7.2 scenario. Least that avoids another Lucy King scenario.

[Qualia]

I think you quoted the wrong post

I didn't, though :P

I believe what we "killed" were just the outer appendixes of the Old Gods. The only one Old God that was truly killed for good was Y'Shaarj when we destroyed his heart fighting Garrosh. Remember C'thun? He was "killed" not only once, but TWICE (the first time took a titan's life, and the second was during the War of the Shifting Sands), yet he was almost fully recovered when Med'an battled Cho'gall.

Old Gods upon setting on a world, spread like cancer, seeking the planet's core where a nascent world-soul would be. We don't know how big are they, but they seem to be MASSIVE, as they can't be destroyed without taking a portion of the planet itself with them. When Ra defeated Y'Shaarj's body, it caused a wound from which the Well of Eternity originated. He didn't kill the Old God, as his heart wasn't destroyed but imprisoned.

The only way we could stop them once and for all, is destroying their hearts.

This is a bit off topic (or is it? We are talking about OGs' deaths), but... you haven't updated your knowledge of lore for a long time, have you? :P There are quite a number of outdated or wrong information in your post.

C'Thun was killed only once - during battle of AQ40. He didn't even fake his death (old lore) anymore. Chronicle established that the Titans was afraid that they would have done irreversible to Azeroth if they came and fought by themselves, with how powerful and big they were. Thus, they created servants - the Keepers (Ulduar Keepers + Ra + Odyn + Archaedas) and the Titanforged army to fight in their place. Those servants are not Titan, and no Titan was defeated in the battle with C'Thun - in fact, not even a Keeper fell. The only time the Titan decided to get involved was during the battle with Y'Shaarj, when Aman'thul just bent down, grabbed Y'Shaarj with one arm and plucked it off Azeroth, tearing it apart and killing the Old God in the process. In the end, Y'Shaarj died, and the other 3 imprisoned by the Keepers.

We've gotten many sources stated that the OGs we killed was dead (in-game quest, Yogg's claim himself, the comic, dev Q&A). The plot of the comic that you mentioned was that Cho'Gall was trying to resurrect C'Thun using Med'an's power at first place - you don't revive something that is still alive. Can the OGs still whisper or interact with the world (spawning bad stuffs - the vapors, the Sha, etc.) after deaths? Yes, they can, just like other powerful dead beings in WoW (i.e: MU Gul'dan, and I'm very sure he is dead). Does that mean they are alive, or we only killed their avatar, outer appendixes, or whatever of theirs instead of the OGs themselves? No. Will they ever come back? Up to Blizzard.

[Wishblade]

Huh, didn't know the first one was a slightly different sounding Archimonde... Thanks for pointing it out.

Definitely excited to hear what Azeroth has to say to us. Still thinking we might get a warning about the Old Gods in some form, not sure why we'd be warned much about the Legion at this point.

[Deleted]

When Ra defeated Y'Shaarj's body, it caused a wound from which the Well of Eternity originated. He didn't kill the Old God, as his heart wasn't destroyed but imprisoned.

It was Aman'thul that literally ripped off Y'Shaarj from Azeroth, not Ra.

[purebalance]

usually when you die, you go away. C'thun was still there empowering Cho'gall and we have Y'shaarj's heart that still had a personality. Yogg'Saron is throwing visions and shit at the people of Ulduar. They dont seem to die in the traditional sense.

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Using logic makes someone a fanboy? ohwell.



So beings who have been imprisoned by the Titans/Keepers, who have orchestrated the fall and corruption of everything in the world that the Titans and Keepers set in place, from their prisons no less... are not cunning, manipulative or insidious at all... ok

Meanwhile the Legion and Sargeras who have free reign over the universe, keep failing horribly against this world over and over. Almost every dialogue from a Demon is just stupid boasting before they are killed. Boasting of how they've destroyed countless worlds and how they're gonna kill you, but just die. They're lucky they get unlimited do-overs.



10/10 Archimonde, best plan ever...

The old gods were not cunning. Corruption =/= cunning. Loken was cunning in terms of the keepers. Yogg corrupted him because of who he was not because he knew he was cunning. All the OG's have done was find stuff by accident. I'll agree both the OG's and the Legion are pretty inept, but the OG's only ever caused downfall of something by their power or serendipity not cunning, manipulation, or being insidious.

Also, your implication that they aren't dead because power was drawn from them has already been refuted in this thread. I guess original Guldan was still alive since everyone and their mother was empowered by his skull right?

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I believe what we "killed" were just the outer appendixes of the Old Gods. The only one Old God that was truly killed for good was Y'Shaarj when we destroyed his heart fighting Garrosh. Remember C'thun? He was "killed" not only once, but TWICE (the first time took a titan's life, and the second was during the War of the Shifting Sands), yet he was almost fully recovered when Med'an battled Cho'gall.

Old Gods upon setting on a world, spread like cancer, seeking the planet's core where a nascent world-soul would be. We don't know how big are they, but they seem to be MASSIVE, as they can't be destroyed without taking a portion of the planet itself with them. When Ra defeated Y'Shaarj's body, it caused a wound from which the Well of Eternity originated. He didn't kill the Old God, as his heart wasn't destroyed but imprisoned.

The only way we could stop them once and for all, is destroying their hearts.

Usually if you destroy something's brain it's implied you killed it. We killed Yogg's brain and his final phase was basically him in berserk death throws to kill us.

Secondly the titan dying has been retconned since Chronicle.

Thirdly, the "jailed" portions are the parts of the old gods that matter. So the parts we killed in the prisons did in fact kill them.

Y'Shaarj was in fact killed. His body fell back to Azeroth in pieces after Amanthul killed him and Ra sealed the heart away not because it was alive, but because it was dripping with corruption and he wanted to find a way to neutralize it.

The reason our method worked and killed the OG's we killed without the Amanthul effect is basically the same reason you don't just rip a tick out of someone's body: We killed the OG's and Azeroth can slowly purge the corpse or we can help to do so versus yanking it out while the tendrils that are a majority of their body growing towards the world soul grasp and yank at the planet.

Regardless, for the billionth time Y'Shaarj, Yogg, and Cthun are all dead.

[Grimfrost]

The picture is n'zoth though

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Just a theory : Can n'zoth ressurect other old gods? I mean he is alive, free, has an army (the naga) so maybe he uses the time he has to ressurect the others to finish off azeroth?

[Kokolums]

Varian Wrynn, Vol'Jinn, and even Ysera.

Varian was self sacrifice and it wasnt a fair fight. Guldan had numbers. Voljinn wasnt a fair fight. Legion had numbers. Ysera was temporarily corrupted by xavian which got cleansed by elune herself. WE Ended up killing ysera.

[Halyon]

So...WoW is dying then. Like, for real.

[Kokolums]

Tirion, Bolvar, Maraad...

Tirion didnt lose a fair fight vs a villain. Bolvar was killed not in a fair fight but a sneak attack. Maraad was self sacrifice.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Tirion didnt lose a fair fight vs a villain. Bolvar was killed not in a fair fight but a sneak attack. Maraad was self sacrifice.

They were still lost and people that died. "Fair fights" is just an arbitrary distinction you put.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

I think all those people wetting their pants over old god's returning are forgetting that this is a Theramoreisabomb thread.

TheBomb*
FTFY