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    The Last Country We “Liberated” from an “Evil” Dictator Is Now Openly Trading Slaves

    http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/...trading-slaves

    It is widely known that the U.S.-led NATO intervention to topple Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi in 2011 resulted in a power vacuum that has allowed terror groups like ISIS to gain a foothold in the country.

    Despite the destructive consequences of the 2011 invasion, the West is currently taking a similar trajectory with regard to Syria. Just as the Obama administration excoriated Gaddafi in 2011, highlighting his human rights abuses and insisting he must be removed from power to protect the Libyan people, the Trump administration is now pointing to the repressive policies of Bashar al-Assad in Syria and warning his regime will soon come to an end — all in the name of protecting Syrian civilians.

    But as the U.S. and its allies fail to produce legal grounds for their recent air strike — let alone provide concrete evidence to back up their claims Assad was responsible for a deadly chemical attack last week — more hazards of invading foreign countries and removing their heads of state are emerging.

    This week, new findings revealed another unintended consequence of “humanitarian intervention”: the growth of the human slave trade.

    The Guardian reports that while “violence, extortion and slave labor” have been a reality for people trafficked through Libya in the past, the slave trade has recently expanded. Today, people are selling other human beings out in the open.

    “The latest reports of ‘slave markets’ for migrants can be added to a long list of outrages [in Libya],” said Mohammed Abdiker, head of operation and emergencies for the International Office of Migration, an intergovernmental organization that promotes “humane and orderly migration for the benefit of all,” according to its website. “The situation is dire. The more IOM engages inside Libya, the more we learn that it is a vale of tears for all too many migrants.”

    ​The North African country is commonly used as a point of exit for refugees fleeing other parts of the continent. But since Gaddafi was overthrown in 2011, “the vast, sparsely populated country has slid into violent chaos and migrants with little cash and usually no papers are particularly vulnerable,” the Guardian explains.

    One survivor from Senegal said he was passing through Libya from Niger with a group of other migrants attempting to flee their home countries. They had paid a smuggler to transport them via bus to the coast, where they would risk taking a boat to Europe. But rather than take them to the coast, the smuggler took them to a dusty lot in Sabha, Libya. According to Livia Manente, an IOM officer who interviews survivors, “their driver suddenly said middlemen had not passed on his fees and put his passengers up for sale.”

    “Several other migrants confirmed his story, independently describing kinds of slave markets as well as kinds of private prisons all over in Libya,” she said, adding IOM Italy had confirmed similar stories from migrants landing in southern Italy.

    The Senegalese survivor said he was taken to a makeshift prison, which the Guardian notes are common in Libya.

    “Those held inside are forced to work without pay, or on meager rations, and their captors regularly call family at home demanding a ransom. His captors asked for 300,000 west African francs (about £380), then sold him on to a larger jail where the demand doubled without explanation.”

    When migrants were held too long without having a ransom paid for them, they were taken away and killed. “Some wasted away on meager rations in unsanitary conditions, dying of hunger and disease, but overall numbers never fell,” the Guardian reported.

    “If the number of migrants goes down, because of death or someone is ransomed, the kidnappers just go to the market and buy one,” Manente said.

    Giuseppe Loprete, IOM Niger’s chief of mission, confirmed these disturbing reports. “It’s very clear they see themselves as being treated as slaves,” he said. He arranged for the repatriation of 1,500 migrants just in the first three months of this year and is concerned more stories and incidents will emerge as more migrants return from Libya.

    “And conditions are worsening in Libya so I think we can also expect more in the coming months,” he added.

    As the United States government continues to entertain regime change in Syria as a viable solution to the many crises in that country, it is becoming ever-more evident that ousting dictators — however detestable they may be — is not effective. Toppling Saddam Hussein led not only to the deaths of civilians and radicalization within the population, but also the rise of ISIS.

    As Libya, once a beacon of stability in the region, continues to devolve in the fallout from the Western “humanitarian” intervention – and as human beings are dragged into emerging slave trades while rapes and kidnappings plague the population — it is increasingly obvious that further war will only create even further suffering in unforeseen ways.

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    Trump is working with Saudi Arabia to make Yemen the next Libya

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    ...it is becoming ever-more evident that ousting dictators — however detestable they may be — is not effective.
    That may have been something people were surprised about in the 21st Century BC, not entirely convinced we can call it a revelation in the 21st Century AD.

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    Well, if liberating doesn't work, why not try eradicating?

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    Regime change must be followed by occupation. Or you get this situation. What would have happened, had we not occupied Japan or Nazi Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheggaro View Post
    Regime change must be followed by occupation. Or you get this situation.
    Its why I made a thread a few days about asking if the people supporting action in Korea would be willing to bear the costs. I know full well that many really wouldn't. Occupation takes a lot of time, and it is very expensive.

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    Wasn't Lybia "liberated" by Europe? The US was sitting idle till it was forced to clean up European mess...
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    The people you are calling "terrorists" are in fact "freedom-fighters", no amount of stabbings is going to change this.

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    We could always go back to installing dictators.
    Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.

    Just, be kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    That may have been something people were surprised about in the 21st Century BC, not entirely convinced we can call it a revelation in the 21st Century AD.
    Ousting Hitler was pretty effective.

    But that's the difference between Germans and Muslim/Arabics. Germans had pride and with that came their own shame. Helps that every country in the area had Germany on mega-watch post-war along with occupation, but that is the core difference between the peoples.
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    There are no worse scum in this world than fascists, rebels and political hypocrites.
    Donald Trump is only like Hitler because of the fact he's losing this war on all fronts.
    Apparently condemning a fascist ideology is the same as being fascist. And who the fuck are you to say I can't be fascist against fascist ideologies?
    If merit was the only dividing factor in the human race, then everyone on Earth would be pretty damn equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manabomb View Post
    Ousting Hitler was pretty effective.

    But that's the difference between Germans and Muslim/Arabics. Germans had pride and with that came their own shame. Helps that every country in the area had Germany on mega-watch post-war along with occupation, but that is the core difference between the peoples.
    Also a lot of control through the Allies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manabomb View Post
    Ousting Hitler was pretty effective.

    But that's the difference between Germans and Muslim/Arabics. Germans had pride and with that came their own shame. Helps that every country in the area had Germany on mega-watch post-war along with occupation, but that is the core difference between the peoples.
    Germany was occupied after the war, People were stationed there from all over Europe and the US to keep watch. There are still basis there today i believe only the US is still there. My dads generation was probably the last stationed there. I'm 30 to give you an idea.

    A plan was devised to economically support germany to prevent a repeat of what happened between the first and second world war. The nations around germany were also being stabilized.

    There are vast differences between both situations why a direct comparison isn't possible, racial and religion difference don't even come into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manabomb View Post
    Ousting Hitler was pretty effective.

    But that's the difference between Germans and Muslim/Arabics. Germans had pride and with that came their own shame. Helps that every country in the area had Germany on mega-watch post-war along with occupation, but that is the core difference between the peoples.
    The allies destroyed the German war machine before Hitler went and then occupied the country. In Libya we crippled one side to start an internal conflict and then left them to their own devices.

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    We need to move the Israelis to Florida or possibly Saxony. Israel is a huge destabilizing force in the area, every time an Israeli looks at a Palestinian cross eyed it enrages the entire Muslim world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manabomb View Post
    Ousting Hitler was pretty effective.

    But that's the difference between Germans and Muslim/Arabics. Germans had pride and with that came their own shame. Helps that every country in the area had Germany on mega-watch post-war along with occupation, but that is the core difference between the peoples.
    Actually the reason is, is that the western allies occupied Germany for decades and spent a lot of effort de-nazifying and rebuilding Germany as a democracy. If they hadn't Germany would have been a failed democracy like any other, but that is not something the rest of Europe, nor the US would tolerate, so despite the huge costs they did what they did. There is/was no German exceptionalism.
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    .it is becoming ever-more evident that ousting dictators — however detestable they may be — is not effective.

    *Gasps*


    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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    And here I thought that the only annoyance coming out of our intervention in Libya was the afrocentrics spreading conspiracy theories on facebook. Apparently, the whities got rid of Gadalphi because he was trying to establish an Africian currency or central bank or some shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sykol View Post
    Well, if liberating doesn't work, why not try eradicating?
    Why not try the brand new concept that was never tried before: staythefuckouting
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    We could always go back to propping up dicatators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hombregato View Post
    We could always go back to propping up dicatators.
    Or just leave other countries alone.

    The colonial era is over, the west needs to find a new hobby.

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    Any chance Italy might want to take Libya back?

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