Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
Don't quite know, she is kinda in the same field as Torbjörn. She is more of a defensive hero then a support.
If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
I see a Symetra that is actually effective I switch to Reaper or a long range/midrange character and now her down safely. If you continue to play a character that Symetra can mow down that's your fault and not the fault of sym being op.
If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.
It's definitely out of control, you must be a symmetra main. It's okay, you need a nerf, deal with it, dude. And if you learn how to read I said on modes like Mystery where you cannot counter properly, it's an instant wipe if symm is rolled and the opposite team doesn't have any appropriate counters. Even with good counters, she's ridiculous.
She needs nerf, get over it.
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
Basically, on certain maps where close quarters combat can happen, she can take down several heroes
much more easily and more quickly than Zen can. The way her gun works gives her the freedom to
fire and move around more easily than Zen, who's more stiff.
Overall, sure, I'd take Zen over her any day, but there are maps that more cater to a potential "Sym
wipe" than a Zenyatta one imo.
Only time Symmetra is out of control and needs nerf is when she's played against braindead people. She's easy to take down on pretty much any DPS champ. Most tanks can take her 1 on 1. Her teleporter is very strong when timed properly (and again, especially against braindead people) but that's about it. She does good damage basically in melee range and after few seconds of "channeling". If you can't kill a champ, that's basically made of paper, in few seconds, it's your own fault, and doesn't warrant any kind of nerf.
And yea, I'm totally a Symmetra main. Played her like 3 times this season.
Mercy looks in your general direction to heal, which is her primary fire, no aiming required.
It's okay for a Support to not heal, that's why they are labeled Support and not Healer. I feel like ya'll tempting Blizzard to make another non-healing Support just to strengthen their argument
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Yes, if someone disagrees with me I'm incapable of thinking that they might Have a valid point so I just accuse them of maiming that character. You really should put some effort into leaning about people before you make knee jerk assumptions. Do I main Sym? No. I rarely play her. If I play her it is merely to stay in practice with her in QM or it is healer arcade mode. I have the most time on Junkrat but I don't main anything. I play everything so in case I need to counter a specific character I can do so competently and not have to rely on the tactic of going to Internet forums and crying about it.
She doesn't need a nerf. If she is nerfed she won't be played. She has a real strength, close up murder and pathway denial with a defensive/traveling tactical Ult. If you get wrecked by her it is because you are not countering her properly and this game isn't about having a main, it is about switching to counter threats. This entire thread isn't based on her being out of control it is based on not liking getting killed by a specific character when you refuse to counter properly. That's on you, not the design of the character.
If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.
Huge difference, because there's absolutely nothing tanky about her.
And it isn't "talking ourselves into it", it's presenting what is actually in game and showing how that's supportive rather than defensive.
I mean, look at the defense hero category and their ults. Aside from Widowmaker, they're all area denial ults, and even in Widowmaker's case, her entire kit is about denying areas and her ult just further strengthens that.
Meanwhile, Symmetra's ults don't, they just help your team out.
Well, that is true, hence why she's heavily map based on her usage.
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
Her turrets slow (Support), and if you're clumping them up to nuke a single target you're doing it wrong anyway. Also, if killing people is suddenly defense, then I point you to Zenyatta.
Also it doesn't fortify aside from assisting your teammates to get to the point faster, while her shield ult is well, clearly supportive.
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"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
I mean, if we're going to try and justify the label based on ults, time to move Orisa to support, because her ult supports the team's offensive firepower.
Is there really a point to continuing this if you're going to continuously narrowly focus on points just to try to prove your point? Or are you forgetting that Torb's turret is meant to do damage, and his ult is an area denial ult?
And no, that's not a "fact", she is essentially the same with a stronger shield and a moving barrier to help allies. She's MORE supportive than she was before.
People main things other than Genji and Hanzo...?
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator