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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    If Corbyn steps down and Labour finds a strong center left voice, ideally one that campaigned for Brexit or at least someone who was constructively critical of either camp AND they can postpone the elections for longer so that Labour actually gets a chance to campaign, maybe the loss will not be as horrid.
    No, you can't win if you make the argument for Brexit like with Cameron or with a guy like Corbyn who didn't even bother to fight for it.

    Lets get this clear though, compared to most national governments the EU is only as flawed as those flawed national governments allow it to be. If the EU want to fight against tax evasion the responsible commissionaire biggest enemy isn't large companies but those countries who love it.

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    It'll be good to see the back of Comrade Corbyn.

    Hopefully Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP will end up with fewer seats too.
    Me not that kind of Orc!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shigenari View Post
    Seriously, whether or not the popular conception of what socialism entails is correct is a different discussion entirely, and it's also totally irrelevant because I literally didn't mention socialism at all.
    That discussion was about socialism, you can cycle through the comments.

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    I am not convinced that someone who refers to Hamas and Hezbollah as friends, can really be called "a good person".
    What a crazy idea to encourage representatives from extremely troubled areas of the world to sit down at a table and be involved in discussion. Can't see that being a good plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsybob View Post
    Hopefully Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP will end up with fewer seats too.
    Probably not. The only reason Holyrood looks so representative is because of the AMS. If it was FPTP like Westminster they'd have a huge majority. This election couldn't come at a worse time for Tories in Scotland given the rape-clause ordeal and some really bad publicity from Tory candidates wrt racism. And Dugdale's labour is faring worse than Corbyn's, Lib Dems are still seen as snakes so no other options really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosta View Post
    What a crazy idea to encourage representatives from extremely troubled areas of the world to sit down at a table and be involved in discussion. Can't see that being a good plan.
    Would you say ISIS are your friends? What about Al Qaeda? You do not need to call someone your friend to have a discussion, do you?

    Perhaps he is not such a good person, unless you think befriending terrorist organisations is good.

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    Would you say ISIS are your friends? What about Al Qaeda? You do not need to call someone your friend to have a discussion, do you?

    Perhaps he is not such a good person, unless you think befriending terrorist organisations is good.
    I offer this as friendly advice, from someone who likely has a lot more life experience than you. If you dont have a good answer its usually best to keep your mouth shut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosta View Post
    I offer this as friendly advice, from someone who likely has a lot more life experience than you. If you dont have a good answer its usually best to keep your mouth shut.
    What an utterly inane comment.

    Describing yourself as a friend of terrorist organisations that have declared they want to kill Jews, would not make you a good person to people that are not raging anti-Semites.

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    INB4 this backfires May.

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    INB4 this backfires May.
    I would put decent odds on the Tories loosing more seats to the Libdems than they pick up from Labour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviemore View Post
    Those votes could go anywhere, and there's no European referendum to help the Conservatives take them from Labour this time. Add in a Liberal Democrat party that won't get ragdolled for a coalition their voters wanted to avoid so badly, and there's far more risk than reward in this call.
    It's thanks to the turncoat fake lib dem voters that let the conservatives get the majority in order to get the referendum in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmelded View Post
    Probably not. The only reason Holyrood looks so representative is because of the AMS. If it was FPTP like Westminster they'd have a huge majority. This election couldn't come at a worse time for Tories in Scotland given the rape-clause ordeal and some really bad publicity from Tory candidates wrt racism. And Dugdale's labour is faring worse than Corbyn's, Lib Dems are still seen as snakes so no other options really.
    Rape clause, no it's the fake clause to stop everyone and their hairy legged sengas claiming they'd been tampered with in order to bypass the child welfare limit.

    As for comrade corbyn he should depose of the trouble makers in his party the way that other comrade with the large mustache did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffyman View Post
    Rape clause, no it's the fake clause to stop everyone and their hairy legged sengas claiming they'd been tampered with in order to bypass the child welfare limit.
    Most people's problem with the bill in general is that there shouldn't be a limit. The Tories created a problem and resolved it disgustingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosta View Post
    I don't think it's fair to say he has 'fucked' anyone. While it's hard to disagree with your estimation of his leadership skills, its also hard to disagree that at heart he is a good person with social-democratic ideals that align with the Labour Party(far more than the ideals of Tony Blair). There are things about him that I dont enjoy. He comes across as an ideologue, spends too much time addressing rooms full of people who already agree with him, and surrounds himself with his pals.

    It's not surprising that, given the ostracization of the Labour left for 10 years, they have made clear statements with Miliband and Corbyn that Labour members would rather be right than powerful.

    Given how right-wing England is, he is unlikely to win, but I can certainly foresee a situation when May goes back in with a diminished majority and lot less power.
    True, he never stood a chance, character assassination from the media and a bunch of blairites destroying him from inside the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    What an utterly inane comment.

    Describing yourself as a friend of terrorist organisations that have declared they want to kill Jews, would not make you a good person to people that are not raging anti-Semites.
    He did say he regretted that, are you going to hold that over him even though he held his hands up and said he was wrong to say it? Mental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    He did say he regretted that, are you going to hold that over him even though he held his hands up and said he was wrong to say it? Mental.
    So a man with a history of sympathy for terrorist organsiations should get a free pass on a disgusting comment, because ages after he said it he was forced to backtrack under pressure?

    What about his praise of murdering dictators? Do they mark him out as a person you would say "at heart he is a good person" about? Perhaps, and this may be controversial, he is not a good person at heart at all.

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    I doubt it, but you called him useless when he definitely has a future in audio books.
    As a life long voter of the labour party, it saddens me to say that this is as truthfull as you can get about Corbyn. He is a fucking joke of a leader and if he remains in charge of labour, unless he grows a spine and some passion, then we (Labour) will be stomped into the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    So a man with a history of sympathy for terrorist organsiations should get a free pass on a disgusting comment, because ages after he said it he was forced to backtrack under pressure?

    What about his praise of murdering dictators? Do they mark him out as a person you would say "at heart he is a good person" about? Perhaps, and this may be controversial, he is not a good person at heart at all.
    You know its pretty obvious what you are trying to do here, carry out a character assassination, and its frankly disgusting.

    If he is as bad as you say he is, then what policies has he proposed/suggested to support terrorist organizations? Can you give me a list of them?

    I'm going to be bet its a list of zero.
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowmelded View Post
    Most people's problem with the bill in general is that there shouldn't be a limit. The Tories created a problem and resolved it disgustingly.
    That's not what I'm hearing when it's been turned into a "wimmins" issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ula View Post
    Voted Labour and Remain so far. Lost all faith in Labour and Corbyn.

    I believe i'll be voting Lib Dems as they're the vocal opposition and seek to stop Brexit.
    Though, admittedly, it's hopeless. This will be a massacre. Huge Conservative majority, no stopping hard brexit, sweeping powers granted to goverment. Meh.
    Nothing can stop Brexit now now that article 50 has been triggerd.
    This vote is purely tacticle by May and the conservatives to shut down the "We didnt vote for you" and the others that are pushing for a soft brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    You know its pretty obvious what you are trying to do here, carry out a character assassination, and its frankly disgusting.
    I posted a video of him calling Hamas and Hezbollah his friends. I do not need to do a character assassination on Corbyn, he does that himself.

    If he is as bad as you say he is, then what policies has he proposed/suggested to support terrorist organizations? Can you give me a list of them?

    I'm going to be bet its a list of zero.
    Overt support for murderous dictators and terrorist organisations does not need to be from policy, it can be spoken, which he has done.

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma View Post
    Nothing can stop Brexit now now that article 50 has been triggerd.
    This vote is purely tacticle by May and the conservatives to shut down the "We didnt vote for you" and the others that are pushing for a soft brexit.
    I also doubt that Brexit wont happen, but technically it is possible to backtrack. Nothing in the contracts says that a EU member can't revoke their request to leave.
    The only thing lawyers note is that it would likely need a mutual agreement from both the EU and GB, else it could lead to a constant back and forth between leaving and staying.

    But nothing is set in stone, weirdly enough. A country leaving the EU never happened and apparently no one has/had a clear idea how to handle such a situation. Absolutely ridiculous imo, but hey what do I know.

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