Why rightwingers are desperate for Sweden to ‘fail’

[Fleuria]

I would hardly call Canada a shining beacon of hope with multiculturalism, country has some seriously strict immigration laws and refugee laws it's nothing like Europe where it's just open boarder.

When you hand pick people you let in, it's going to look amazing from the outside unlike majority of Europe where towns are ghettos like areas of Sweden and Germany, that people just neglect mentioning.

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Refugees from what? Let me guess, a war started by immigrants in the name of Islam to eliminate all nonbelievers?

That's the classic scenario you righties like to talk about. Sweden is thriving and will thrive for the forseeable future and there's nothing you can do about it.

Apart from the part of the countries that are flat out no go areas because they are ghettos lul

[Acidz]

This whole discussion is such bullshit. People are acting as if immigration is some kind of new phenomenon, and as if Sweden is some kind of front runner. It's laughable. Other European countries, especially those with a colonial past, have dealt with this issue decades ago already - to various degrees of succes, I'll admit. But get some fucking perspective.

[Forogil]

First of all, I knew the girl. Went to school with her. 1 guy killed her, 2 of his friends helped him. Is it so hard to understand?

Her death is tragic for her and the ones who knew her, that I can understand.

But what relevance does this have for this thread? He was a former neonazi - and you haven't indicated that the murder was politically motivated. And 2 friends helping a killer after the fact - or 3 neonazis killing one girl are not the same.

Second this guy has been in multiple threads spreading lies about Sweden, with his alt-right agenda that we dont want anything to do with just as this thread is about

But why did you mention that girl? What relevance does it have for this thread?

The idea that the best counter to lies are other lies is wrong.

You found anything about Anton Lundin and the Gothenburg bombings yet? That's the real issues we got in Sweden, not immigration

Are you sure those are the real issues - and that there are no others? How many died in those bombings compared to the 4 dead in gang-related bomb in an immigration area in Gothenburg?

How about actually trying to solve the problems of immigration instead of trying to blame all problems on the neonazis?
Both the crime due to non-successful integration of immigrants, and the jihadist terrorism (which according to Europol's TE-SAT has passed right-wing and left-wing extremism as the main concern).

[Grozak]

SNIP

Because that's the issues we got. Right-wing extremists

And the car bomb was not even confirmed to even be a bomb, and the guy I was referring too will never bother with those deaths, because the people that got killed was not Swedish in his eyes.

We don't have non-successful integration, it's actually quite decent. Yes there's problems, not going to deny it. But it's not to any extent so any country outside of Sweden need to bother.

The BIGGEST issues we got. Is right-wing extremists, nazis and people spreading lies about the country.

No one died luckily since the nazis are too stupid to even prime a bomb correctly. And our Police did a great job dealing with it before anything could happen

www.hatewatch.se there's a nice site, that's all the acts of terror from the right-wing side. Now try and give me a similar site to any relevant Jihadists, Left-wing equivalence in Sweden.

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/hot...xande-problem/

[Forogil]

I would hardly call Canada a shining beacon of hope with multiculturalism, country has some seriously strict immigration laws and refugee laws it's nothing like Europe where it's just open boarder.

Europe doesn't have open borders anymore either. Previously the affluent countries relied on Dublin-treaty to keep the refugees away - now it is more fences and guards, but that isn't talked so much about - since it doesn't fit the political narratives.

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Because that's the issues we got. Right-wing extremists

No - right wing extremism is quite marginal.

And the car bomb was not even confirmed to even be a bomb,

If a car explodes there are explosives involved. Whether that is a bomb, handgrenade, munition or something else doesn't matter - because civilians shouldn't drive around with that.

We don't have non-successful integration, it's actually quite decent. Yes there's problems, not going to deny it. But it's not to any extent so any country outside of Sweden need to bother.

They have committed acts of terrorism outside of Sweden, so other countries need to bother.

The BIGGEST issues we got. Is right-wing extremists, nazis and people spreading lies about the country.

Wrong.

www.hatewatch.se there's a nice site, that's all the acts of terror from the right-wing side.

Including handing out fliers...

Let's see the actual facts from the Police that actually conduct counter-terrorism in Sweden:
http://www.sakerhetspolisen.se/en/sw...ssessment.html

Threats and threat assessment: Terrorist-related activities in Sweden are primarily carried out by those who are motivated by Islamist extremism and such activities most often serve to support terrorist offences in conflict zones such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and Syria.

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Facts.


Racist or xenophobic motives are believed to be behind around seven of ten cases. Others include sexual orientation, islamophobia, anti-semitism or various other religious faiths

Have a nice day.

What they are hoping you won't understand though is WHO is perpetrating those hate crimes. Most people will assume only white people are doing those things when it's in fact the complete opposite. The propaganda bureau is skilled at this kind of subterfuge.

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So your claim about 3 neonazis killing a girl is actually one former neo-nazi killing a girl several years ago - and it is unclear if it has anything to do with his political beliefs?

And you claim that you are tired of people spreading lies? If you want to argue a point it is on you to provide arguments - and actually have a point.

I knew instantly when i read his post that he is a liar. He is trying to make it appear there are neo nazis running around bombing stuff and killing girls in the name of national socialism or whatever. Preposterous. These people have no shame or respect for the truth.

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Because that's the issues we got. Right-wing extremists

And the car bomb was not even confirmed to even be a bomb, and the guy I was referring too will never bother with those deaths, because the people that got killed was not Swedish in his eyes.

We don't have non-successful integration, it's actually quite decent. Yes there's problems, not going to deny it. But it's not to any extent so any country outside of Sweden need to bother.

The BIGGEST issues we got. Is right-wing extremists, nazis and people spreading lies about the country.

No one died luckily since the nazis are too stupid to even prime a bomb correctly. And our Police did a great job dealing with it before anything could happen

www.hatewatch.se there's a nice site, that's all the acts of terror from the right-wing side. Now try and give me a similar site to any relevant Jihadists, Left-wing equivalence in Sweden.

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/hot...xande-problem/

Please stop with the lies. This is insane. I'd say more but the liberal mods here ban anyone not far left any chance they get. There are barely any neonazis in Sweden at all. I'm baffled.
Hatewatch is a complete joke. Any right wing lawful assembly is labeled Nazi. Hell in most of those "incidents" It's just people handing out fliers. This is the biggest threat to Sweden? REALLY?

[Rennadrel]

It isn't just Sweden, it's Germany and everyone else who has bent to the will of the refugees, they will no doubt pay for their foolishness.

[Incredibale]

Any right wing lawful assembly is labeled Nazi. Hell in most of those "incidents" It's just people handing out fliers. This is the biggest threat to Sweden? REALLY?

Haven't the Swedish media and police finally copped up to covering up immigrant violence? It's an insane situation. Literal hostiles are flooding in to these countries and the dipshit progressives are holding the gates open for them.

[HeyGuysHello]

wtf is that outdated chart even supposed to show? You have over 4k gun deaths already in 2017 theres something that actually shows something instead of ur little painting. http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

Hey guy, you DO know that there's something called "per capita," right? Fact of the matter is, while there are more total shootings in America, there's less deaths and violence overall per 100k. Not only that, but a hefty majority happens in the south where certain demographics are much higher in density than in other states. Maybe you should read up on the word "context" and learn how to associate it.

[kail]

It isn't just Sweden, it's Germany and everyone else who has bent to the will of the refugees, they will no doubt pay for their foolishness.

Is there an ETA for this?

[lockedout]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ail-terrorists

It sure is quite sad how so many are hoping for Sweden to fail but you look at the world rankings and it's clear that the country is still doing quite well.
Keep up the good work Sweden. Canada, Germany and Sweden should lead the way.

This is why, Ethnicity: The majority of the population are Swedes.

[ButterBeast]

Hey guy, you DO know that there's something called "per capita," right? Fact of the matter is, while there are more total shootings in America, there's less deaths and violence overall per 100k. Not only that, but a hefty majority happens in the south where certain demographics are much higher in de liked the part where you claimed that somehow the context was wrong.nsity than in other states. Maybe you should read up on the word "context" and learn how to associate it.

hey ''guy'' the chart in question has no numbers on it it's just colours. sure we can look at per capita and If you actually looked it up the murders per capita you'd see that americans kill each other at a higher rate than western nations, your feelings and excuses about guns won't really change that.

Good attempt maybe you should look up your claims before you make a fool out of yourself.

[Tennis]

This is why, Ethnicity: The majority of the population are Swedes.

We're all human beings. Only a racist would be pushing ethnicity over all else.

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Is there an ETA for this?

Soon.
in a few months the refugees that came almost 2 years ago will be the counties responsibility, and they, unlike the state, cant borrow to fund it.
And in 2018 we have new elections.
Going to be Wonderful.

[Slybak]

The only group of people who want Muslims to kill Europeans more than ISIS are members of the European far right.

[Deleted]

We're all human beings. Only a racist would be pushing ethnicity over all else.

Human beings are different. They come with a different set of genes that impact their behaviour and intelligence, and this is primarily why some people do better than others. This is why children of Eastern European migrants do much better than children of non-European migrants, in terms of crime, schooling, integration, or whatever else. No individual should be judged by his race or ethnicity, but on average, there is a difference between groups of people. In fact, in scientific circles, this is not even up to discussion. The only thing that can be discussed is exactly what is behind the differences, and to what extent; but, that the differences exist is established enough to be deemed a truism.

I am nevertheless very much supportive of immigration to Western Europe. I would never oppose a wonderful reality show come future times: Western Europeans vs migrants! Not sure who to root for here... but I guess I have time to think about it.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ail-terrorists

It sure is quite sad how so many are hoping for Sweden to fail but you look at the world rankings and it's clear that the country is still doing quite well.
Keep up the good work Sweden. Canada, Germany and Sweden should lead the way.

Sweden does primarily well because of its native population and its European migrants. In virtually every bad statistic, the non-European migrants are overrepresented per capita. This is what tends to overshadow the real image of non-European migrants' performance in general in Western Europe: by lumping all "migrants" together, the poor data of non-European migrants gets overridden by the overall good data by the European migrants. When the statistics are divided to Swedes, Western Europeans, and non-Western migrants, the picture is similar because "non-Western migrants" includes many Eastern European countries, who perform better than non-Europeans significantly, especially their newcomer generations. To get a real picture, it would simply require that data collectors interpret the statistics in a way that divides European and non-European migrants. This is where the real difference is.

No single country in Europe has benefited more than it has lost from non-European migration. Each and every one has experienced damage on economy, safety, social cohesion and education levels.

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I ont hope sweden collapses, its a neighbour, and has alot of good people living there.

What I find disgusting though is that a woman like this can say stuff like this while getting applause from the king and the prime minister

It is quite incredible how self-loathing Europeans are. I respect people from outside Europe, but without a doubt Europe is and has been for 2500-3000 years ahead of every single other region on Earth when it comes to intellectual and cultural progress and achievement. The fact that in the 21st century, which in intellectual (i.e. scientific, philosophical, and technological) and cultural levels is the product of no other than Europeans, there still are people in our continent who hate it to the extent that they would bash it in favour of a foreign culture is tragicomic.

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You'll also need to recognize that there's been measurable increases in reporting rates, and changes in how Sweden tracks/prosecutes certain crimes, both of which have inflated those rates without nearly as much of an actual increase in rate of offense.

Plus, the point wasn't that there weren't some shifts in rates of offense overall, but that there's no massive crime wave that can be directly tied to immigration. Not according to BRA data, at least.

There is a massive over-representation of crimes committed by non-Europeans vis a vis Europeans and Swedes.

Not only in Sweden, but in every European country.

Now try to refute me.

[Irian]

Sweden is one of the most pristine countries, with extremely low poverty rates, very little crime and no strong obsession with capitalism yet still prospering. It stands in defiance of what the extreme right want to paint the world as, implying that America's obsession with big businesses and greed is not necessary to succeed as a country and is not the answer the US necessarily needs to deal with its excessive poverty issues and shrinking middle class.

Although to be fair, it's a bad comparison because Sweden would not be Sweden if countries like America were not countries like America. America is the heart of medical progress and big business and without it other countries would stagnate or have to shoulder those financial burdens themselves. Things are never cut-and-dry as "Sweden is good and x country is bad" or "Every country should behave more like Sweden" however to be honest most of the extreme right or left wing are not educated enough to actually understand this at all.

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

True but I am quite concerned with the growing level of intolerance and hate crimes in Europe.

But not about the terrorism, the rise in rape, other violent crime or the loss of culture and heritage of European countries?

[Alexeht]

Sweden is one of the most pristine countries, with extremely low poverty rates, very little crime and no strong obsession with capitalism yet still prospering.

LIES! If you would do actual research you could find that Sweden is world capital of rape, crime rates are growing (unless you give us bad chart like Endus did).

Pristine country xD I cannot even ...

[HeyGuysHello]

hey ''guy'' the chart in question has no numbers on it it's just colours. sure we can look at per capita and If you actually looked it up the murders per capita you'd see that americans kill each other at a higher rate than western nations, your feelings and excuses about guns won't really change that.

Good attempt maybe you should look up your claims before you make a fool out of yourself.

Ever heard of the UNODC, dumb dumb? America is 92nd. It's even in the original quote you responded to. We're below Canada. Despite what you may think about America, we're still pretty low even with a few high crime areas like Louisiana, Chicago, and a few others that share demographics. The fool here is you.


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