did ISIS thought they are going to win?

[Deleted]

I KNOW, BLAME ASSAD!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iraqi-un...mustard-agent/

CBS/AP April 18, 2017, 2:18 PM

Iraqi unit with U.S., Australian advisers hit by ISIS mustard agent

WASHINGTON -- An Iraqi unit with U.S. and Australian advisers was hit by an Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) mustard agent, CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports.

Twenty-five Iraqis required treatment but none of the advisers were injured Sunday, Martin reports.

Brigadier General Yahya Rasool told the Associated Press that six soldiers suffered breathing problems from Sunday’s attack and were treated in a field clinic. An investigation was then launched to determine what type of gas was used.

The attack marked the second chemical attack of its kind in several days. It occurred one day after an Iraqi military officer said ISIS militants launched a gas attack in the al-Abar neighborhood in western Mosul.

Two army officers say masks and other equipment have been distributed to forces in case of future gas attacks. They spoke anonymously as they were not authorized to speak to media.

An officer with the antiterrorism forces said ISIS fired a rocket loaded with chlorine.

U.S.-backed Iraqi forces are battling ISIS militants in the more densely populated western half of Mosul. Iraqi officials say more than half of western Mosul has been retaken. The extremists were driven out of the eastern half of Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, in January.

[Killadrix]

Dropping the biggest non-nuclear bomb the world has ever seen and killing only 36 Isis fighters doesn't look to be the best approach to wiping out Isis.

The goal wasn't mass numbers of casualties, it was to destroy a bunker system, which it did.

Perhaps you should understand what you're talking about before trying to be snarky on the internet.

[Deleted]

DARN ASSAD! First he attacks Syria n now Iraq! Neo-cons save us all!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-1...attack/8452144

Australian medics treated Iraqis hit by Islamic State chemical attack, Defence says

By North America correspondent Stephanie March, staff
Updated earlier today at 7:36am

Australian medics provided first aid to Iraqi counter-terrorism soldiers after a gas attack in Mosul, the Department of Defence says.

The Pentagon said it was aware of what it said was a "low grade" chemical attack on an Iraqi unit in west Mosul, which has been the scene of heavy fighting as Iraqi forces and their allies battle Islamic State militants for possession of the city.

A Defence official had told the ABC Australian and US advisers were with the unit at the time, but a Defence spokesperson denied this, saying Australian medics at a secure base outside Mosul provided first aid to the Iraqi soldiers affected.

"No Australian personnel were exposed during the gas attack on Iraqi Counter-Terrorism Service soldiers in Mosul," the spokesperson said.

"The failed gas attack highlights Daesh's [Islamic State's] desperation as Iraqi ground forces continue operations to liberate Mosul."

It is not known what chemical weapon was used, but IS is believed to have access to chlorine and mustard gas.

"My advice right at the moment is no Australian troops were affected but Australian forces did provide assistance following the attack. That's my current advice received in last few minutes," Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull told AM this morning.

In a statement the Pentagon labelled the attack as largely ineffective.

Defence officials say IS's chemical weapons are "rudimentary".

There were reports of two separate IS gas attacks in as many days over the weekend, but it is not clear if the Australian advisers were involved in either of those attacks.

The spokesman for the Joint Operation Command in Iraq said IS attacked government troops with some type of gas in western Mosul, a day after militants launched a gas attack in western Mosul's al-Abar neighbourhood.

The offensive to retake Mosul has seen heavy street-to-street fighting, with Islamic State fighters driven out of the east of the city and making a stand in their last strongholds in the west.

In March Iraqi troops recaptured west Mosul's main government buildings and say they are now in possession of around 30 per cent of west of the northern Iraqi city.

A recent US-led airstrike allegedly killed dozens of civilians in Mosul, but Australia's Defence Minister Marise Payne said Australian combat aircraft were not involved.

Mosul is IS's most important stronghold in Iraq and the battle is key to fighting the broader threat of terrorism.

It took three months for Iraqi Government forces to regain control of the eastern half of the city, with thousands killed or injured as troops made their advance through neighbourhoods and IS often using civilians as human shields.

In 2015, the Australian Defence Force boosted protection against chemical weapon attacks for its personnel in Iraq.

Defence Chief Air Marshal Mark Binskin said at the time that IS's use of "limited chemical weapons" — including chlorine and mustard gas — was an emerging threat against Australian forces.

The Iraqi army has built a new bridge over the Tigris river south of Mosul as an escape route for families fleeing the fighting, after recent flooding blocked all crossing points.

Mosul's permanent bridges have largely been destroyed during the campaign to seize back Iraq's second-largest city.


McCain: "Not now guys, too soon! too soon! Geez, I guess I hafta go to ME again for a chat about strategy...I'm getting too old for this shit!"

[Stormspellz]

did ISIS thought they are going to win?
it wasn t hard to predict they would get bombed "the sh$%@t out of them" by the next us president regardless who won

they already did win, look how many people an ocean away are scared of tan people because they are tan.

but on series note they aren't playing the same game, they have a long term plan of propaganda and destabilization, not of military victory over the west.

[AlphaOut]

Dropping the biggest non-nuclear bomb the world has ever seen and killing only 36 Isis fighters doesn't look to be the best approach to wiping out Isis.

It was 94. There are less than 1000 ISIS members operating in the country. Not to mention the number of caches destroyed. I'd say it was a pretty good dent.

[Moadar]

thats not true - if you were rising in country where your family dies because some fat oil baron decided its time to make some money you wouldnt want food on table - you would rise with desire to hung him on tree by the balls and skin him alive.

the fake notion that "america is bringing freedom" is something that only muricans belive - rest of world is not stupid enough

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thats a bit ... not true . it all depends on the hate of occupant . my country Poland has a very long history of fighting with occupants - first for over 120 years under ocupation of russia,prussia,austria , then nazi germany , then 50 years of soviet ocupation and it still never broken their spirit. hell one of our national hero's Piłsudski would be considered as no other then terrorist as he were blowing up trains of occupants. same with people during warsaw uprising in 44' - after all nazis were ruling the country so people going against them were terrorists eh ?
history is written by winners - if nazis win and wrote books those people for sure woudl be portrait as terrorists fighting with "legal " goverment

it all depend on point of view - for them US is not a saviour its occupant and occupants deserve to die for death and destruction they bring.

so easy assumption like this are .... simply wrong.

hate against occupants runs really really deep in many generations to come.

You can always look to Rome to see a way of handling an occupation. People learned to fear Roman retaliation for trying to oust them.

[kamuimac]

The goal wasn't mass numbers of casualties, it was to destroy a bunker system, which it did.

Perhaps you should understand what you're talking about before trying to be snarky on the internet.

the goal was using it before its expiration date was runing out and somebody had to be responsible for it - so better alternative then explaining why milion of $ from taxes were wasted was dropping it on sria which becale lately nothing but US/russia weapon testing ground

[Killadrix]

the goal was using it before its expiration date was runing out and somebody had to be responsible for it - so better alternative then explaining why milion of $ from taxes were wasted was dropping it on sria which becale lately nothing but US/russia weapon testing ground

Link to your source? This sounds like total bullshit since our government wastes billions on shit like this each year. The cost of this bomb is a rounding error.

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

Sadly enough, the fact that they got the shit bombed out of them but many Western Civilians are actually upset about it happening means they aren't really losing either.

It's a sad day when it's seen as politically incorrect to want to wipe out a disease.

Didn't you get the memo?

According to liberal media and liberal pundits it's because the west is full of Islamophobia and we need to be more accommodating to muslims so there isn't terrorism.

[Renyo]

*snip*

Mustard gas is not Sarin. To my knowledge it is way easier to produce and store.

[alexkeren]

Yes, because you wipe out a disease by killing off the patient. Very effective method and no way it would backfire.

You have confirmed sources of civilian casualties?

[Powerogue]

did ISIS thought they are going to win?
it wasn t hard to predict they would get bombed "the sh$%@t out of them" by the next us president regardless who won

You have to remember they're insane. Deluded into thinking losing is winning by divine intervention pulling their spirit up to some ridiculous "martyr's afterlife," and that God is going to show up any minute now during this "final battle" and curbstomp their enemies.

[Felya]

They have fundamentally impacted governments of the west and successfully created an impression of Muslim war against the west. Random lunatics are now screaming 'Alan Akbar' when they go on rampages. I'm not sure they are losing... what do you think their goals are?

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Mustard gas is not Sarin. To my knowledge it is way easier to produce and store.

You have what you need to make it in your cleaning supplies. There is even a King of the Hill episode about it.

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Didn't you get the memo?

According to liberal media and liberal pundits it's because the west is full of Islamophobia and we need to be more accommodating to muslims so there isn't terrorism.

It might have something to do with you replying to him bitching about opposition to bombing ISIS, by complaining about accommodating of muslims. You don't have to call it a phobia, just their success. When extremists want a war with the world, complaints about muslims, is exactly what they want. They don't want to just be extremists, but be the authority on their religion. By equating ISIS with treatment of muslims, you are giving them exactly what they want.

[Majestic12]

I can't believe that some of you actually think that bombing them helps with anything. The only reason they gained ground in the first place is because the US went to war with the wrong country and hundreds of thousands are dead. The Middle East was wronged and now they hate the West. Good job America.

More bombs that create more dead and sympathy for the radicals make things worse, not better.

[Dezerte]

ISIS has arguably already won on some fronts, e.g. they've successfully spread terror and instilled fear into other people and nations. Promoted police-state politics and anti-immigration sentiments.

[Shayd]

did ISIS thought they are going to win?
it wasn t hard to predict they would get bombed "the sh$%@t out of them" by the next us president regardless who won

Well if you believe that ISIS is actualy a bunch of crazy religious bastards hiding in caves trying to take over the wolrd then yes they probably believed it at some point.

Then if you're not an idiot and believe ISIS is the fruit of 40 years of CIA work to justify a war in middle east and creating a strategic position then no they probably never believed anything from the begining they probably just wanted to have a peacefull life like every human do.

As you said it wasn't hard to predict they would get bombed "the sh$%@t out of them" by the next us president regardless who won so why would they go down this road if they weren't decieved to?

[Kuntantee]

You either win, or die trying. In the latter case, you are died for religion, and guaranteed to get into heaven and get some pussy. It's a win win for them.

[HumbleDuck]

You have confirmed sources of civilian casualties?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7508031.html

Anyhow, in this case the extremists ideology is the disease, you can't defeat an ideology by bombing the shit out of it.

[Deleted]

Mustard gas is not Sarin. To my knowledge it is way easier to produce and store.

That is not the point...it's the narrative that there is a single possible suspect by western MSM that got debunked.

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Well, well, well..

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ki...tims-5dmnzz5k0

Kidnap trial doctor treats gas victims

A British doctor who treated victims of the deadly nerve gas attack in northern Syria travelled back to the war zone after his trial on charges of kidnapping a British journalist collapsed and he was struck from the medical register.

Shajul Islam, 31, posted a series of videos on Twitter showing victims being brought to the hospital in Idlib province where he now works. He has given interviews on the attack to global media outlets, including NBC News in the United States.

Mr Islam went on trial in Britain in 2013 on terrorism charges, accused of belonging to a jihadist group that kidnapped John Cantlie, a British journalist who worked for newspapers including The Sunday Times, and Jeroen Oerlemans, a Dutch journalist. They were taken…

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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/british-doc...fences-1615849

British doctor who documented Syria 'chemical attack' previously held on terror offences

Shajul Islam from London was considered a 'committed jihadist' by MI6.

A British doctor who documented a suspected chemical weapons attack in Syria was considered a "committed jihadist" by MI6 and was struck off the General Medical Council in 2016.

Shajul Islam, 31, posted several videos on Twitter in the aftermath of the Tuesday's (4 April) attack where he appeared to be treating patients in Khan Sheikhoun.

He appeared on several television networks such as NBC to discuss what he saw, but it has now emerged Islam was previously charged on terror offences in the UK.

Islam, from Stratford in east London, first travelled to Syria in 2012 and worked in opposition-held areas of the country such as Al Bab, close to the Turkish border.

But shortly after arriving, he was wanted by MI6 – Britain's foreign intelligence agency – for his alleged role in the kidnapping of British photojournalist John Cantlie and his Dutch colleague Jeroen Oerlemans.

Cantlie and Oerlemans were held captive for nine days after they strayed into a jihadist camp in northern Syria where Islam was working.

Islam maintains he was simply a medic who was not affiliated to any terror groups, but when he returned to the UK in 2013, he was arrested at Heathrow Airport and held in Sussex Police's specialist counter-terrorism units.

Islam was charged alongside his younger brother Najul Islam, who had worked in the Department for Work and Pensions before travelling to Syria, and Jubayer Chowdhury.

All three were held in the high security Belmarsh Prison until they were charged with terrorism offences to appear in Kingston Crown Court.

At the time, intelligence officials were quoted as saying their questioning would help trace the killer of journalist James Foley, who was beheaded by the Islamic State (Isis).

However, in November 2013, Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) lawyer Mark Dennis announced he was unable to proceed as the witnesses, Cantlie and Oerleman, were unable to attend court.

"A problem arose for the prosecution which serves to frustrate the trial from the point of view of the prosecution," Dennis said, according to a BBC report at the time.

"The two victims in the case are the two prosecution witnesses on which the case rested wholly on their evidence. The prosecution are unable to call either victim for the purposes of the trial listed today."

Cantlie had remained in Syria and was later kidnapped again, becoming the last-known Western journalist to be taken by Isis. Oerleman's location was not known at the time, but was killed in Libya in 2016 after he was shot by a sniper.

As a result, the court case collapsed and both Shajul and Najul Islam returned to Syria. Chowdhury's location is not currently known.

In March 2016, Shajul was struck off from the General Medical Council after a 16-day confidential tribunal.

In an interview released one month ago, Islam discusses the allegations against him with US journalist Bilal Kareem.

[alexkeren]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7508031.html

Anyhow, in this case the extremists ideology is the disease, you can't defeat an ideology by bombing the shit out of it.

This thread was started in regards to MOAB, want to try again on providing proof that that bombing killed any civilians?