Nathanos Marris Short Story

[Magnagarde]

This story, like many others, goes to show just how powerful Arthas was. In addition to that, I've come to realize that Greymane more than repaid the favour the Alliance made him during the cataclysm, considering his actions in Stormheim saved everyone from having to deal with armies of rebuilt and zealous undead. Betrayal would surely aboud within their ranks if entire armies were rejuvenated as Nathanos was because it is his living experience of Sylvanas that keeps his loyalties in check, one which no other undead has.

[Shampro]

He is a scruffy underdog not because he lacks skills; that's not what makes him an underdog; it's the lack of acceptance within his own hierarchy. It seems clear that he was a choice forced on the Farstriders by Sylvanas (and with numerous good reasons most important of which is his outstanding skill). Meanwhile Turalyon and Rhonin were alpha males within their own organizations; they were charismatic and in leadership positions that noone challenged. Was the writing on Rhonin absolutely crappy? I'd agree. I am just refuting that either he or Turalyon could be described as an underdog.

Sylvanas being the Alpha of the the two is part of why is so facinating. He seemed plenty fine with it, aside from detesting the other Elves in QD.

[pateuvasiliu]

because every single half elf is a plague on writing that takes special snowflake to the extreme. Not to mention that once again the whole Elf falling fora human trope, while common isn't good. It has always been awful. The only writer that pulled it off was Tolkien. Half elves are an insult to elves. They always will be.

The whole '' elves consider themselves superior to humans '' doesn't really work in an universe where humans are superior to elves.


The High Elves took a serious lesson in humility after the Third War. That feeling of superiority should be long gone.


Also Nathanos clearly proved his naysayers wrong.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The whole '' elves consider themselves superior to humans '' doesn't really work in an universe where humans are superior to elves.


The High Elves took a serious lesson in humility after the Third War. That feeling of superiority should be long gone.


Also Nathanos clearly proved his naysayers wrong.

Humans really aren't superior, there are just more of them everywhere. And The elves high elves or Blood elves are anything but humble if anything it made Blood elves more racist towards humans.

Also Nathanos is still human.

[pateuvasiliu]

because every single half elf is a plague on writing that takes special snowflake to the extreme. .

Not exactly, how are they special snowflakes? It's not as if human/elf birthrates are low, it's not as if they have super OP abilities or anything. Humans have been living together with High Elves since Quel'thalas fell and many High Elves found their way to Stormwind/other human kingdoms and that's ignoring whatever bonds they formed during the Second War and after, not to mention Dalaran where they lived together.

There are way worse offences in Warcraft lore, like Thrall/The Alliance suddenly being OK with Warlocks once the game launched or Thrall/Cairne being ok with Forsaken/human experimentation/slavery/M'uru being taken and syphoned.

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Humans really aren't superior, there are just more of them everywhere. And The elves high elves or Blood elves are anything but humble if anything it made Blood elves more racist towards humans.

Also Nathanos is still human.

They sure are. Bigger armies, masters of just about every magic type-- hell, they beat blood/high elves to Druidism, too, stronger on a global scale and the greatest mages in Azeroth's history are-- surprise, humans.

And The elves high elves or Blood elves are anything but humble

Blood elves aren't, which is why they got stuck in the same faction with the dead people and the smelly orcs, a faction they tried to leave only to get fucked.

High elves earned their keep and managed to survive the lack of the Sunwell without having to resort to dark magic.

Nathanos proved the elves wrong both by becoming a great ranger and, in death, by being the secondary leader of the Forsaken and probably more powerful than any blood elf alive. The elves' only reason to doubt him was his race and that didn't stop him.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Not exactly, how are they special snowflakes? It's not as if human/elf birthrates are low, it's not as if they have super OP abilities or anything. Humans have been living together with High Elves since Quel'thalas fell and many High Elves found their way to Stormwind/other human kingdoms and that's ignoring whatever bonds they formed during the Second War and after, not to mention Dalaran where they lived together.

There are way worse offences in Warcraft lore, like Thrall/The Alliance suddenly being OK with Warlocks once the game launched or Thrall/Cairne being ok with Forsaken/human experimentation/slavery/M'uru being taken and syphoned.

You are lucky if you haven't read a single fantasy book where a half elf was written so awfully that you don't cringe at hearing the word half elf. They are special snowflakes because they are always written to be unique special children/whatever that have super cool potential etc and no body understands how dark and brooding/ cool they are. Take vereesa's children for example with Kirin'tor asshats doing backflips saying how good of mages they will be one day etc. The last thing WoW needs is more assholes like that.

They sure are. Bigger armies, masters of just about every magic type-- hell, they beat blood/high elves to Druidism, too, stronger on a global scale and the greatest mages in Azeroth's history are-- surprise, humans.

Breeding like rabbits doesn't make you superior in anything but numbers. Master of magics is saying a bit much. They are good at combining their magics and they are proficient but not the supreme masters of any magic or Khadgar wouldn't be wetting his pants whenever he stumbles across elven ruins nor would they have begged for the help of Blood elves with Malygos. None of the council was ever said at all to be better then a elf mage. The guardians have multiple mage powers going through them so that is different. High elves are anything but humble and they leeched hard off the humans. Getting brain damage trying to survive without the sunwell makes you anything but smart, infact trying to put the High elves in any moral high ground is just hilarious when you try to draw on the examples of those hiding behind humans while the blood elves actually defended and rebuilt their kingdom.

[pateuvasiliu]

You are lucky if you haven't read a single fantasy book where a half elf was written so awfully that you don't cringe at hearing the word half elf. They are special snowflakes because they are always written to be unique special children/whatever that have super cool potential etc and no body understands how dark and brooding/ cool they are. Take vereesa's children for example with Kirin'tor asshats doing backflips saying how good of mages they will be one day etc. The last thing WoW needs is more assholes like that.

Her kids will never be relevant to the lore and in Warcraft halfbreeds have no special abilities.

Hell Rexxar's a half breed and I think he was written just fine.

No one moved, and after a second Rcxxar shook his head, a sneer on his heavy features. "You arc the cowards," he
proclaimed, spitting the words down upon them. "You arc too afraid to live truly, outside the shadows of lies and
promises you have been bought with. You have no courage, and no honor. That is why you cannot be trusted." The
half-orc's shoulders slumped. "From now on, only the beasts will I trust."

A half breed's only bad if that's what their character revolves around.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Her kids will never be relevant to the lore and in Warcraft halfbreeds have no special abilities.

Hell Rexxar's a half breed and I think he was written just fine.

No one moved, and after a second Rcxxar shook his head, a sneer on his heavy features. "You arc the cowards," he
proclaimed, spitting the words down upon them. "You arc too afraid to live truly, outside the shadows of lies and
promises you have been bought with. You have no courage, and no honor. That is why you cannot be trusted." The
half-orc's shoulders slumped. "From now on, only the beasts will I trust."

A half breed's only bad if that's what their character revolves around.

Rexxar's different because one, hes not a half elf and escaped many of the half elf writing traits, and He wasnt written into the story to make some other character seem cooler (Rhonin and Vereesa)

99% of half elves characters revolve around them being Half elves.

[derpkitteh]

This story, like many others, goes to show just how powerful Arthas was. In addition to that, I've come to realize that Greymane more than repaid the favour the Alliance made him during the cataclysm, considering his actions in Stormheim saved everyone from having to deal with armies of rebuilt and zealous undead. Betrayal would surely aboud within their ranks if entire armies were rejuvenated as Nathanos was because it is his living experience of Sylvanas that keeps his loyalties in check, one which no other undead has.

you know, this is kinda like a darkened version of odyn's valarjar(i hate this word so much, it sounds so stupid the way blizz wants to be pronounced) process.

i now understand why sylvanas wanted eyir so badly. she definitely wanted to do this to the whole of the forsaken.

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Neither energy source is drawn from the Twisting Nether. Order (Arcane) and Disorder (Fel) govern the physical multiverse of Warcraft. On the other hand, the Twisting Nether was spawned from the chaotic residue at the start of the multiverse:

"The Twisting Nether is an astral dimension that lies in parallel with the Great Dark Beyond. The forces of Light and Void bleed together at the boundaries of the Twisting Nether, engulfing this realm is perpetual strife. At times, the volatile magics that pervade the Twisting Nether intrude upon the physical universe, warping reality beyond measure."

Also, if Elune is the God of Light (comparable to the Void Lords within the Void) then her powers surpass that of the Titans. To be frank, with the current lore centering her around the Well of Eternity, the Kaldorei, the Dark Trolls, and her constant presence on the planet, it doesn't make sense for her to be anything other than the slumbering Titan within Azeroth.

P.S. Xe'ra contradicts their own lore about the Naaru, and by all accounts, has been a Charlie Foxtrot.

these energies don't govern anything, they simply exist. fel is the energy abundant within the nether, that's why demons are prone to chaotic violent behavior.

in the old lore, arcane and fel were drawn on normally, but could be tapped into from the nether to strengthen your power. now, i'm not sure if arcane is included in that.

IF what elune did with ysera was truly the creation of a constellation and not some illusion for azeroth's skies only, it speaks to her power. we've been told of what the titans can do, instantly create, destroy, and recreate planetary systems in the time it takes a heart to beat. but this was creating multiple stars in an instant, if that was really what happened. this is a new level.

i'm not sure if she's a "light lord" or what, but she's special.

[steelballfc]

Rexxar's different because one, hes not a half elf and escaped many of the half elf writing traits, and He wasnt written into the story to make some other character seem cooler (Rhonin and Vereesa)

99% of half elves characters revolve around them being Half elves.

give this man a cookie

[derpkitteh]

Rexxar's different because one, hes not a half elf and escaped many of the half elf writing traits, and He wasnt written into the story to make some other character seem cooler (Rhonin and Vereesa)

99% of half elves characters revolve around them being Half elves.

arator seems fine. his character isn't around being a half-elf, it's about dealing with loss and being a righteous paladin.

[Selastan]

Troll DNA being mutated over generations because they lived in close proximity to a weeping sore of Titan Essence (Well of Eternity) is not the same as being descended from Titans. By your logic, all of Azeroth (including its inhabitants) are Titan offshoots.

Then you can't say that the Earthen or Iron Dwarves are Titan, they were made from Azerothian material and shaped with Titan power.

[Friendlyimmolation]

arator seems fine. his character isn't around being a half-elf, it's about dealing with loss and being a righteous paladin.

it also helps his parents weren't beyond shit written. I still think blizzard lucked out on not making Arator terrible.

[pateuvasiliu]

Rexxar's different because one, hes not a half elf and escaped many of the half elf writing traits, and He wasnt written into the story to make some other character seem cooler (Rhonin and Vereesa)

99% of half elves characters revolve around them being Half elves.

Well okay but this hasn't been the case in Warcraft except for Med'an who can use the Light/Arcane/Shamanism because of his hybrid status (barf).

[Combatbutler]

Well okay but this hasn't been the case in Warcraft except for Med'an who can use the Light/Arcane/Shamanism because of his hybrid status (barf).

Rhonins devil spawn disagrees.

[Aucald]

it also helps his parents weren't beyond shit written. I still think blizzard lucked out on not making Arator terrible.

Might also be because Arator's character has never been explored in an real way - all we know of him is that he's looking for his parents and that he's a Paladin. He could be a good character, or he could be terrible, we won't know until he actually features into a storyline in any real sense.

[vondevon]

Then you can't say that the Earthen or Iron Dwarves are Titan, they were made from Azerothian material and shaped with Titan power.

I didn't say that the Earthen or Iron Dwarves are Titan because they aren't. They are both Titan-Forged, that is to say deliberately and directly constructed by the Titans. Even if you want to include Titan-Influenced mutation under that definition, well:

they were in direct contact with a being within the well before their mutation, the being taught them titan language and likely helped in their mutation.

also, there are night elven celestial holograms in titan facilities, tauren and troll too.

We don't know who/what the being was. It could have been Azeroth; though she was and still is dormant, and currently requires a "speaker" to commune through. It could have been Sargeras, who would later contact Azshara about it if not through it. There is also a good chance it was The Three (Old Gods Inc.) who secretly sought to help Azshara and her mages turn the WoE into a portal, only to then siphon its energy to free themselves and corrupt Azeroth's World Soul.

Any of these entities, who have demonstrated a connection to the Well, could have bent its energies to their ends.

Titans study and catalog everything by nature, and sentient species are their favorite area of study. Holograms don't convince me of descendence

At best you might consider it the generational impacts of a Titan-Made Disaster in the form of Aman'Thul ripping Y'Shaarj out of Azeroth. But then Elves are just the mutant carp that spawn after chemical dumping. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[pateuvasiliu]

Rhonins devil spawn disagrees.

What have they done? Aren't they little kids?

[Friendlyimmolation]

What have they done? Aren't they little kids?

They exist.

[Combatbutler]

What have they done? Aren't they little kids?

The last time they were described, they were said to have vast potential and people could feel it if in the same room, because they were the offshoot between an elf and a human magi, which is utterly ridiculous, these little shits need to burn, preferable alongside their aunts, mother and extended family, let the windrunner blight end once and for all.