"probable" terror attack in Paris.

[Puupi]

So we reset the clock once again. How long was it from the last one?

[Somewhatconcerned]

Now, now- stop making sense! Why would we do that? If we did that, the problem would be solved and then people would be able to visit a large public gathering without worrying that a car might plow into them........

If we did that- Zuchs would have to take all the terrorist propaganda off fakesbook. Then what would he have to pair with the killings and beatings streamed live daily on his site?

Besides, How are they going to that when they are so shamed by the p.c. police that they even have difficulty calling an obvious terrorist attack a "terrorist attack."

No, no ,no- my friend. We can't have that!

It is far better to just pretend that these are "isolated incidents" (not at all connected with any ideology at all, in any way (of course) and we can just cross our fingers and hope that we are lucky enough that we (or our family and friends) are not nearby when the next "isolated incident" occurrs.

How do you "remove" Islam from France, or anywhere?

[Alydael]

How is the West pillaging the Middle East, exactly?

By all the aid and money we send them each month......

By buying their oil so they can be filthy rich and live in palaces.

Just think what would happen if we completely pulled all our money and charity out of there (and stopped buying their oil). They would have basically nothing.

I don't know what universe that guy was living in with his "pillaging" comment but talk about having no clue what is going on....

[Somewhatconcerned]

Did you think this Ad hom was clever?

"I know i'll call him a Nazi! No one on the internet has ever seen this tactic before, I'm sure @Tijuana will fall to his knees and repent under the crushing weight of my superior intellect!

No, but it sure got your angst level up.

[iperson]

Well, go out and ask. I would suspect the answer you get in return will reflect the long (and continued) bloody history the West has with the Middle East.



I think this is not helping. The West continues to pillage, among others, Middle Eastern countries. Learning about their suffering (and the suffering of all the other peoples the West has and continues to ruin) will help us stop our criminality. We can easily recognize the war crimes of others, but not ours.

If the Middle East is known for anything it's peaceful coexistence right? Just look at how well they get along with each other for proof that the west is to blame for all the violence...

[Alydael]

How do you "remove" Islam from France, or anywhere?

Zero tolerance.

Think about it. How many times has it come back that these guys that commit the attacks visited terrorist sites or were under suspicion and interviewed- but not arrested, etc.

Zero tolerance- you're on one of those sites? You engaged in some sort of terrorists rant. Then you are out of the country- no return.

If you are trying to enter the country and we have any suspicion at all- denied entry.

Cyber attacks against terrorist sites and start holding sites like fakesbook accountable for the terrorist propganda on their site. Hit them with some fines and take away some tax breaks- watch how fast they clean up that site.

That is how I would start.

After that policy was in effect for a few months- I would see how it is playing out and analyze the data to see: what else I can do and how I can make the current policy more effective.

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If the Middle East is known for anything it's peaceful coexistence right? Just look at how well they get along with each other for proof that the west is to blame for all the violence...

He completely ignores that fact that the Mid_east has basically at war with itself (between tribes, sects, etc) since BC times. Literally thousands of years! They pillaged themselves! Now all they have left worth anything is oil...

What would happen if we stopped buying their oil, pulled out all our aid and money and just left them. Could you even imagine what it would be like? Biggest mistake we ever made have anything to do with that cess pit.

[Taso]

Wouldn't surprise me if this causes Macron or Le pen to win the french election. The odds of the parti socialiste winning is gravely reduced since Hollande day by day seems to be losing control of France. And guess what when people fear they blame the current party.

[Tijuana]

François Fillon has asked for the election campaign to be suspended due to the attack..

One suspect came to Paris on the train from Belgium.. (Where have we heard this before) Other was a 40 year old local..
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Did you think this Ad hom was clever?

"I know i'll call him a Nazi! No one on the internet has ever seen this tactic before, I'm sure @Tijuana will fall to his knees and repent under the crushing weight of my superior intellect!

Hey, thanks for sticking up for me! You must be new here....

[Deleted]

So are all the terrorist groups claiming this attack in their name? Well if it's good enough for them I'm going to claim this attack was in the name of the Jeffyman Massives efforts to keep law enforement kosher.

Why would you want to downplay a potentially legitimate attack?

[JohnBrown1917]

So we reset the clock once again. How long was it from the last one?

We? You mean France?

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Wouldn't surprise me if this causes Macron or Le pen to win the french election. The odds of the parti socialiste winning is gravely reduced since Hollande day by day seems to be losing control of France. And guess what when people fear they blame the current party.

His party is nowhere near close to even the top 4 in the poll, let alone high enough for the run-off.

[Puupi]

We? You mean France?

The world. The victim of islamic terrorism.

[Ghostpanther]

Or worse....

I don't understand their beef, at all. We are not the source of their problems, generally speaking. We are not angels (in the West), but we are hardly the scourge of all things Islam.

I do. They are like any extremist who are set on making everyone who is not aligned with their ideology eliminated or tormented until they do. They are convinced it is the right thing to do for their cause.

And there is no "probable" terrorist attack about this incident or the one in Fresno Cal. recently. They are one. Sad to hear of the death of the policeman. But they got the sucker. We out number them, so their attacks will only strengthen the West's resolve.

[JohnBrown1917]

The world. The victim of islamic terrorism.

Oh that one probably gets reset daily.

[StayTuned]

I do. They are like any extremist who are set on making everyone who is not aligned with their ideology eliminated or tormented until they do. They are convinced it is the right thing to do for their cause.

And there is no "probable" terrorist attack about this incident or the one in Fresno Cal. recently. They are one. Sad to hear of the death of the policeman. But they got the sucker. We out number them, so their attacks will only strengthen the West's resolve.

I've seen many hidden (and not so hidden) videos from radical preachers all over the middle east. I probably cannot post them here.

Their "beef" is that we are silently standing by while our elected government throws bombs on their heads and is out to eradicate all Muslims. They basically believe that there is a crusade against them (mostly led by the USA and supported by Europe). Everyone who is just silently standing by is immediately also guilty.

If you convert to Islam, go down to Syria and fight for them, they won't touch you.

[PassingBy]

By all the aid and money we send them each month......

By buying their oil so they can be filthy rich and live in palaces.

Just think what would happen if we completely pulled all our money and charity out of there (and stopped buying their oil). They would have basically nothing.

I don't know what universe that guy was living in with his "pillaging" comment but talk about having no clue what is going on....

Thing is that you are sending "aid" mainly to the places to which you previously sent weapons and money to destroy the governments of those places.
Or just stood silently and watched the US do it.

EU and NATO military interventions destroyed the governments in Lybia and Iraq. EU and NATO weapon supply, media support, military training are fuelling the civil war in Syria currently.
EU and NATO is supporting Saudi Arabia in destroying Yemen.
EU and NATO also helped the revolution in Egypt (which was not successful but still cost that country a lot of lives).

Usually, in order to reach political goals you are using the most extremist and radical parts of the society.
In case of muslim countries - those are the radical muslims.

EU and US armed and trained radical muslim fanatics in Afghanistan in order to fight the USSR.
Those radical muslim fanatics later created Al-Qaeda.

EU and US destroyed Iraq, and then Lybia supporting the radical islamists there.
Those radical islamists later created ISIS.

So now it is quite surprising to see all the "why us" cries from the EU.
US is far away behind an ocean, and it actually guards it's borders.
EU is closer and appears weak. Those kind of people see kindness and politeness as signs of weakness. So they come to Europe to bring their new order.

[Puupi]

Oh that one probably gets reset daily.

You don't find that problematic and can't sense a pattern here?

[JohnBrown1917]

You don't find that problematic and can't sense a pattern here?

Just the nature of humans, we will never get rid of terrorism and its very easy in less developed countries.
Its nothing new.

[Alydael]

Thing is that you are sending "aid" mainly to the places to which you previously sent weapons and money to destroy the governments of those places.
Or just stood silently and watched the US do it.

EU and NATO military interventions destroyed the governments in Lybia and Iraq. EU and NATO weapon supply, media support, military training are fuelling the civil war in Syria currently.
EU and NATO is supporting Saudi Arabia in destroying Yemen.
EU and NATO also helped the revolution in Egypt (which was not successful but still cost that country a lot of lives).

Usually, in order to reach political goals you are using the most extremist and radical parts of the society.
In case of muslim countries - those are the radical muslims.

EU and US armed and trained radical muslim fanatics in Afghanistan in order to fight the USSR.
Those radical muslim fanatics later created Al-Qaeda.

EU and US destroyed Iraq, and then Lybia supporting the radical islamists there.
Those radical islamists later created ISIS.

So now it is quite surprising to see all the "why us" cries from the EU.
US is far away behind an ocean, and it actually guards it's borders.
EU is closer and appears weak. Those kind of people see kindness and politeness as signs of weakness. So they come to Europe to bring their new order.

First of all, you can't blame weapons sales on the west. There are plenty of countries that sell/give weapons. It's not as if they wouldn't have them if not for us, they just would have gotten them somewhere else.

Secondly, I guess if you support dictators like Khaddafi and Hussein, then the US destroyed those "governments." Not sure I would call a dictatorship a government- more like a glorified gang but ok.

Third, you ignore the thousands of years of history that happened before all of that. All the things you mentioned are historically "recent" (and probably focuses on less than 1% of the regions total history). The Mid East was a war zone long before we showed up and thousands of years of history back that up. You can't just blame it all on the West because of the last decades.

[Endus]

Since pretty much nobody's actually discussing the attack, and just using this to build up islamophobic sentiment, I'm locking this here.

If you want to post a thread about an attack because it's a tragic event and you want to discuss the attack and the consequences, that's fine. Using it to implicitly attack hundreds of millions of innocents is not sticking to the topic nor is it acceptable posting.