UK PM Theresa May to seek snap election.

[Activi-T]

So you are talking about details... im very sure that Corbyn is fully aware of this.

Therefore your criticisms dont hold any weight... you sound like someone who just wants to bash Corbyn rather than be honest tbh.

If you're so very sure he is fully aware of this you wouldn't mind linking some sources where he has made the distinction?

[Kronik85]

He is to the left, of "left of centre", that's as far left as you can get without hitting the British Communist Party (yeah they're still going).

Failure to acknowledge that Blair's third way policies were actually right wing based on the facts and history of their rule (continued privatisation and deregulation) whilst continuing to paint Corbyn as far left based on the image the media are selling of him rather than his actual policies is a confusing position.

And this is the main reason Labour have zero chance of winning this election, the far left members despise the left of centre members because they are not left enough, to the point they compare them to goddamn thatcherites, but still expect them to back their far left candidate, it's nonsense.

Hopefully after Labour suffer their incoming worst defeat since 1983 it will disenfranchise enough Corbyn backers for Labour to get an electable leader in, but then you have the issue that they may not be able to get enough far left votes to win the 2022 election lol.

When Thatcher thinks Blair and New Labour were her greatest success and when you can show that the legacy of New Labour was continued Thatcherism it's pretty bloody hard to deny that the Blairite wing of the party are Thatcherites in disguise. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a fucking duck! If your interests are pandering to the rich and big business at the expense of the working class then you have no business being in the Labour party.

Well, in fairness they still did better than usual for a Labour government, at least the bins still got collected and we didn't hit the same lows.

The collapse of the economy and austerity aren't similar lows?

IMO the biggest screw up Blair/Brown made was making it easier and more desirable to go to university, this created an entire generation which has hardly any professional trade skills but loads of degrees in useless subjects. As a result we have become dependant on foreign labour in many skill sectors. Corbyn wants to bring this back but make it free! (so it will be even easier/worse).

That was part of my New New Labour manifesto a few pages back. So yay we agree on something! I wouldn't cite it as their biggest failing mind you but it's a problem with the New Labour legacy that needs correcting.

Indeed, but a party that only appeals to some of them and has policies that attack the middle/upper classes cannot win an election.

The top 5% of earners is not the middle class, VAT on 7% of school children (to pay for free school meals for the poor at that!) does not strike me as a massive attack on the middle and upper class. But we will have to see how the full manifesto looks.

[Dizzeeyooo]

So you are talking about details...

because details are unimportant, we should all form opinions from headlines only?

im very sure that Corbyn is fully aware of this.

obviously he is not, since if he was, he would not be proposing a blanket ban

[caervek]

So you are talking about details...

Details/context are usually quite an important thing.

im very sure that Corbyn is fully aware of this.

So he knows his proposal is nonsense and is going to cause significantly more problems than it solves? That makes it worse lol.

Therefore your criticisms dont hold any weight...

You haven't given any reasons why they wouldn't

[Deleted]

If you're so very sure he is fully aware of this you wouldn't mind linking some sources where he has made the distinction?

You really believe that Corbyn is just going to introduce a law to ban ZH contracts overnight?

I think its you who needs to provide the evidence of this extraordinary claim rather than me proving that hes not.

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Details/context are usually quite an important thing.

The same as anything in politics yes... and as always the politicians dont announce every single detail in how theyre going to achieve their promises. Thats perfectly normal in politics.

Keep an eye out for the Manifesto before you announce that the skies falling in.

So he knows his proposal is nonsense and is going to cause significantly more problems than it solves? That makes it worse lol.

Sheesh you dont want extra workers rights to protect your job?

Wow you are dumber than you think.

You haven't given any reasons why they wouldn't

Im just going by what hes said... im not the one running round in a panic announcing loads of bullshit that wasnt even said.

[Kalis]

Failure to acknowledge that Blair's third way policies were actually right wing based on the facts and history of their rule (continued privatisation and deregulation) whilst continuing to paint Corbyn as far left based on the image the media are selling of him rather than his actual policies is a confusing position.

Corbyn is far left, the Labour Party policies are not, there is a difference. To try and paint him as anything other than far left would require ignoring his political views over decades.

He is pushing the Labour Party further left than it was when it had success. There is nothing to suggest that British people as a whole want to go left, hence why he is getting annihilated in the polling and by-elections have been embarrassing for Labour at a time when you would expect an opposition party to be doing well.

[caervek]

VAT on 7% of school children (to pay for free school meals for the poor at that!) does not strike me as a massive attack on the middle and upper class

It is, when people hear "private school" they often thing of children riding horses who's family holiday in the caribbean. While that's true for a few lucky children the reality is usually children from families with average or moderately above average income who make sacrifices to give their children a better education than they had (I.E not having any holidays), hell some even have to choose which one of their children to give the better education too. Adding VAT to it will price it out of reach for many and hurt those for who it doesn't, it's stealing from the middle class and middle earners to give to the working class poor and it's a surefire way to guarantee you don't win over the majority of voters.

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Sheesh you dont want extra workers rights to protect your job?

He is proposing to remove the existance of my job thus making me unemployed, how will the right to be unemployed help me?

He has said that if elected he will ban zero hour contracts, which is great for the ~3% of people on ZH contracts who are being taken advantage of, but for the majority of us it's a bad thing that will negatively affect us hugely and a very bad idea.

What he should instead promise to do is regulate them better, but then that wouldn't make as impressive a headline.

Wow you are dumber than you think.

Almost everybody is dumber than they think.

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Says someone who is clueless about politics.

The irony. What makes them right wing? Their socialist style policies?

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Corbyn is far left, the Labour Party policies are not, there is a difference. To try and paint him as anything other than far left would require ignoring his political views over decades.

He is pushing the Labour Party further left than it was when it had success. There is nothing to suggest that British people as a whole want to go left, hence why he is getting annihilated in the polling and by-elections have been embarrassing for Labour at a time when you would expect an opposition party to be doing well.

The polls haven't been accurate in this time period and by elections would need to be looked at to see what the candidates are like.

[Activi-T]

You really believe that Corbyn is just going to introduce a law to ban ZH contracts overnight?

I think its you who needs to provide the evidence of this extraordinary claim rather than me proving that hes not.

I don't believe Corbyn is going to do anything since he doesn't and will never have enough political support to enact any policy he may have.

I didn't make any claim, you did. You claimed to have specific knowledge on what Corbyn does and doesn't know about zero hour contracts and what he intends to do about it.

[caervek]

The polls haven't been accurate in this time period

Some of them have some haven't, one scary thing I saw recently was that on one forum I post on which correctly predicted both the 2015 election results and Brexit, the poll is showing Labour getting less votes than the Lib Dems, I hope that doesn't come true.

[Kalis]

The polls haven't been accurate in this time period and by elections would need to be looked at to see what the candidates are like.

Which polls? Brexit was within the margin of error.

Currently the Tories lead by about 20% and Conservatives tend to poll poorly, if anything they are likely to paint Labour in a favourable light.

[draykorinee]

It would be fully deserved, Corbyn has not been a leader, he may have been slaughtered before he even had a chance but he's basically a niche MP and not a future prime minister.

I have absolutely zero faith in any polls mind you, an utter waste of time, but anecdotally I'm voting Lib Dem after a lifetime of Labour, but that's more an issue of wanting to kick the Tory our of my constituency than actually voting for Lib Dem, Corbyn is still where my political opinions align.

[Kalis]

Current Polling:

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The irony. What makes them right wing? Their socialist style policies?

So you think the BNP are socialist... wow

I wont even bother to explain how stupid you look with that one dude.

[caervek]

So you think the BNP are socialist... wow

It's because the proper name for the Nazi party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party, it confuses some people.

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He is proposing to remove the existance of my job thus making me unemployed, how will the right to be unemployed help me?

Opinion.

Not a single fact anywhere in your statement.

What he should instead promise to do is regulate them better, but then that wouldn't make as impressive a headline.

How do you know he wont do this?

He made a soundbite announcement showing the public where he intends to focus alot of his attention... ZH contracts. And theres people out there who dont bother to use any sense of fair analysis and make incorrect conclusions. I suggest waiting for more detail of this proposal before announcing hes gonna make you jobless.

I get the feeling you can trust your job more in the hands of Corbyn who has announced he will fight for the rights of those working ZH contracts than May who doesnt give a flying fukk about them.

[draykorinee]

Current Polling:

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The opinium poll looked very different majority wise, its almost like polls are a nonsense. I mean yes there is a trend with Tory majority but thats a given seeing as this is the weakest opposition we've had in forever. If the under 24 bracket and poorer bracket ever came out and voted it would be very different in my opinion, thats why the Comres poll is probably quite accurate, they've omitted a ton of young and poor voters.

[caervek]

Current Polling:

Those numbers don't add up, I mean I know the big numbers all add up to 100, but how did the Tories gain 4 and Labour gain 1 when the other parties lost 4?

[Deleted]

It's because the proper name for the Nazi party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party, it confuses some people.

Like i said... some people need to learn about politics before making fools of themselves on the internet.

BNP = Socialist is the biggest LOL ive had all day.

I was fighting the BNP skinheads back in the 1990s in the streets of London... i know 100% what a BNP supporter looks like thankyou very much. These were guys with swastikas tattooed on their foreheads ffs... GENUINE Nazis.

[Kalis]

Those numbers don't add up, I mean I know the big numbers all add up to 100, but how did the Tories gain 4 and Labour gain 1 when the other parties lost 4?

Rounding up/down. The gain is in relation to the previous poll, which I posted on page 1 of this thread.

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Poll-of-polls:



Key:

Blue = Conservative
Red = Labour
Purple = UKIP
Orange = Liberal Democrats
Yellow = SNP
Green = Greens