Berkeley Mayor exposed As Member of Militant Antifa Group That Orchestrated Riots

[Revi]

This mostly seems like a alt-rigth vs antifa spat to me, just 2 extremist groups going at it.

Maybe, I don't know. I think when one side was part of an organized demonstration, and other side obviously came just for violence and initiated the violence, it's unfair to group them up as equals.

[Forogil]

Of course not. Pure socialism has never existed so far. But we are pretty socialist. And doing well. Certainly better than more capitalist societies.

Successful European countries are not socialist to a major extent, unless you use the same definition that says that medicare is "socialized medicine" in the US. Socialism is about taking control of the means of production - which repeatedly has failed (and it has actually been implemented).

The more successful variants doesn't take control of the companies, but use taxes to redistribute some of the gains - i.e. private capitalist companies develop and manufacture new medicines and the state covers some of the cost for some people; but the actual production - and finding out what products are needed - is still in private hands. That happens in the US and EU - to different extents; and not without issues.

At some point this might have been more pragmatic, but it is also progressively creating a real global separation between "socialists" and "social democrats". (And there is also a language issue: "socialist" (and "liberal") can mean different things in different languages and countries.)

[Mormolyce]

Opposing fascists = terrorist. Makes sense.

But maybe let's wait until this is reported somewhere other than Breitbart and conspiracy theory websites before jumping to any conclusions, yes?

[Orbitus]

Opposing fascists = terrorist. Makes sense.

But maybe let's wait until this is reported somewhere other than Breitbart and conspiracy theory websites before jumping to any conclusions, yes?

Why am I not surprised?

[XDurionX]

There are people who fall for this crap, really?

[Deleted]

so he is a SJW millenial n he is mayor?..

[Deleted]

Opposing fascists = terrorist. Makes sense.

So who exactly are the facists here? The varied groups of people trying to express their Opinions in protest and Discussion or the jackbooted thugs in all black trying to stop all opinions but their own.

[Hiricine]

Going to be interesting to see what happens to the police stand down orders when Antifa shows up now that they're getting their asses kicked by those they're trying to terrorize.

[Deleted]

Going to be interesting to see what happens to the police stand down orders when Antifa shows up now that they're getting their asses kicked by those they're trying to terrorize.

And it'll be a glorious day to watch.

[Hiricine]

Opposing fascists = terrorist. Makes sense.

But maybe let's wait until this is reported somewhere other than Breitbart and conspiracy theory websites before jumping to any conclusions, yes?

Well if you want to go straight to the title of a group rather than their actions, I have a National Socialist party to tell you about that hasn't done anything wrong except National Socialism.

So far, Antifa has basically taken credit for shutting down speeches with violence and causing large amounts of property damage as a protest. Using violence to silence people is terrorism, and despite all the claims of potential harm and words as aggression, this is ACTUAL violence.

To be fair, I don't hear much about them besides Berkeley and DC protests, but given thats what they're in the news for, its hard to even consider what Anti-Fascist is supposed to mean when their primary method is shutting down speech with violent acts.

[Sliske]

Where did I say that?



Thanks.

Also, aren't classical liberals technically Nazis nowadays?

Why do you do this to yourself Elba? Post after post...

[Deleted]

Why do you do this to yourself Elba? Post after post...

He's a communist, do you expect rational thought?

[chewie49]

No wonder the cops have a stand down order every time antifa attacks people trying to hear a speaker talk

[stabetha]

I mean if you are a racist / fascist I'm totally ok with somebody beating the shit out of you. And since the government is too cowardly to call a spade a spade, a mask is required.

people start with this, then move on to labeling anyone with a different opinion then them as racist/ fascist so they can justify them getting the shit beat out of them for having a different opinion.

[Aggrophobic]

https://wearechange.org/berkeley-may...strates-riots/





Time to label ANTIFA what they are. Domestic terrorists. They dress up in ski masks and beat the shit out of people for no other reason than "you're a racist/fascist" and none of them except a select few have the balls to step out of their anonymity while doing it.

And when their identities are revealed, instead of defending their beliefs. Like they cowards they are, they cut ties to all social media accounts and go into hiding. They are nothing more than thugs that want to silence people for beliefs that they don't like.

Great sources you have there.

[prwraith]

people start with this, then move on to labeling anyone with a different opinion then them as racist/ fascist so they can justify them getting the shit beat out of them for having a different opinion.

I mean if that's how we establish unification then so be it. You've gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet.

[Elba]

Why do you do this to yourself Elba? Post after post...

You could address my point instead. I am arguing in good faith.

Err... what?

So called classical liberals spend a lot of time lately defending the rights of Nazis to free speech and the right not to be punched in the face.

Classical liberals think everybody should have the right to unmolested free expression. That makes them collaborators. They support fascists by trying to shield them.

And what is the difference between an enabler, a collaborator and the actual thing, really?

[Mormolyce]

Well if you want to go straight to the title of a group rather than their actions, I have a National Socialist party to tell you about that hasn't done anything wrong except National Socialism.

So far, Antifa has basically taken credit for shutting down speeches with violence and causing large amounts of property damage as a protest. Using violence to silence people is terrorism, and despite all the claims of potential harm and words as aggression, this is ACTUAL violence.

To be fair, I don't hear much about them besides Berkeley and DC protests, but given thats what they're in the news for, its hard to even consider what Anti-Fascist is supposed to mean when their primary method is shutting down speech with violent acts.

Or so says Breitbart and Youtube's shitlord division.

Basically, according to fascists they're as bad as fascists.

[Elba]

Or so says Breitbart and Youtube's shitlord division.

Basically, according to fascists they're as bad as fascists.

Saying fighting fascists makes you a fascist is like saying fighting fire makes you literal fire.

[Dextroden]

How ironic that people that bitch about Nazis and fascist are wondering why their favorite group using political motivated violence to get their way are being called fascists.