Berkeley Mayor exposed As Member of Militant Antifa Group That Orchestrated Riots

[Zython]

Please explain to me how capitalism causes death? Do some people get shitted on under capitalism? Sure. The lazy and ones with bad luck. However it's very few compared to countries that have had Communism/Socialism. I can guarantee more people has died due to socialism/communism then capitalism. It's the best system out there. Too bad America isn't utilizing it anymore.

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Because democracy guarantees everyone rights, including fascists.

But not anti-fascists. Got it.

What fucking fascists?

The ones giving Nazis salutes. I posted pictures earlier in the thread.

Not a single person has been killed by the 'ideology' of capitalism, because that's fucking nonsense.

Starvation isn't a thing? Slavery? Homelessness? Lack of medical care?

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honestly if you want a good example of how capitalism kills people just look at the US and our healthcare system.

[Forogil]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9lRKWYU0AALwDf.jpg

That image is pure fiction - and the result of bad math. The links are not reliable (and not working), and e.g. lack of clean water isn't the result of capitalism - instead one of the more interesting solutions this year seem like pure capitalism - paying for water.

The deaths by communism and nazism are on the other hand still documented by professor Rummel: https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

[Mister Cheese]

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But not anti-fascists. Got it.



The ones giving Nazis salutes. I posted pictures earlier in the thread.



Starvation isn't a thing? Slavery? Homelessness? Lack of medical care?

That image has nothing to do with capitalism.

[Zython]

That image has nothing to do with capitalism.

How do you figure?

[OrcsRLame]

How do you figure?

Because not saving someone is not the same thing as killing someone. It's a question of culpability. If you joined your local police force, you could potentially save lives. Are you therefore guilty of murder if you don't join the police?

Inaction is not the same thing as putting a gun in someone's mouth and pulling the trigger.

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SO let me get this straight.

I can hope.

You pull two numbers out of your ass without citation.

around hundred million is an of quoted figure regarding the death toll - Feel free to substitute it with something else if you like.

One of which is pure fantasy (the Nazis killed much more than 7-8 million, it was in the 30-40 million range).

Nope.
The people killed by the Nazis, excluding the war, for obvious reasons, amounts to the holocaust and change.
so 7-8 million.

You also purposely exclude Nazi allies and other fascist governments over the years.

What fascist government committed any atrocities where millions died? lets perk the number towards 10 million if you like, it does not alter the position.

To make some imaginary point that one group of revolting totalitarian regimes is somehow worse than a different group of revolting totalitarian regimes.

because one group clearly and definitively are worse, but most importantly, because there are virtually not a single elected Nazi anywhere in the world.
IN my country the Communists poll at high single digits - Find me a Nazi party polling at 8% anywhere in the world, and i will find you 10 communists doing the same.

All because the commies are "icky". Never mind that there are virtually no communist governments of consequence left.

you sure? because i can think of quite a few.

Pro tip: You're the one who with the Stalin quote in your sig. Quite frankly the dude let 10 million people starve all because he didn't have a clue on how to run an economy. I wouldn't trust his opinion on anything.

to point out what the communist position is visa vi, fascism, democracy, and you know liberty.

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But not anti-fascists. Got it.

The picture is absurd nonsense, the reasons why there are no anti polio vaccines in say Pakistan, is because the Taliban kills the doctors administering the vaccines.
how is that capitalism's fault?
The answer to all those problems is a functioning state by the way, that's what us causing the problem, not the lack of money or 'too much capitalism' - the lack of a functioning state.
oh and you have a right to protest, not riot and assault.

The ones giving Nazis salutes. I posted pictures earlier in the thread.

if its anything like your picture earlier its presumably just as much nonsense.

Starvation isn't a thing? Slavery? Homelessness? Lack of medical care?

The ideology of capitalism exists? (it doesn't) It calls for slavery? (it doesn't) and so forth.

[Alydael]

The lawsuits probably aren't going to go anywhere and none of this has any impact on their reputation in subjects like physics, where they're one of, or even the, best public institution in the world.

Still though.... The mayor shouldn't be "chosing sides." He actually took an oath and has a job to be a mayor to "all the citizens," not just the ones he politically favors. If his personal beliefs are intefering with his ability to do his job, the respectable thing to do is to step down.

Same thing with the "university." The "university" should protect all its students, not just the ones it is "politically expedient" to protect. A "university" should be focused on education and learning, not making political statements.

Even though they focus on things like physics, you still need grants and for companies to bring that research there. Reputation is very important. I just don't see how all of this does not damage their credibility and rep. They will regret this when the election is in the rear view.

[Ivanstone]

around hundred million is an of quoted figure regarding the death toll - Feel free to substitute it with something else if you like.

The commies didn't know how to run an economy. That's why there's almost none left. You get some leftists who may like the idea but virtually all of them are stuck in a mixed economy whether they like it or not.

Nope.
The people killed by the Nazis, excluding the war, for obvious reasons, amounts to the holocaust and change.
so 7-8 million.

Good job excluding the Slavs. Millions of them died for the mere crime of being Slavic. And there were actual plans to have them all killed. Why do you think Russia treats their victory like they do? It was literally a battle for survival.

What fascist government committed any atrocities where millions died? lets perk the number towards 10 million if you like, it does not alter the position.

Italy and Spain weren't quite as shitty as Germany. That shouldn't be confused with not shitty. Japan on the other hand.

because one group clearly and definitively are worse, but most importantly, because there are virtually not a single elected Nazi anywhere in the world.
IN my country the Communists poll at high single digits - Find me a Nazi party polling at 8% anywhere in the world, and i will find you 10 communists doing the same.

you sure? because i can think of quite a few.

China is not a communist country. They may have some of the trappings of one but they're much closer to authoritarian capitalism.

North Korea may call themselves communist but let's face it, they're not. Charitably they're a kleptocracy. Not so charitably they're a theocracy and the state religion is the Kim family.

Fascism on the other hand is making a come back. Developed nations aren't there yet but when right wing political parties run on demonization of different cultural groups and the expansion of the security state to keep them in check, it really makes me wonder how far away they are.

[Spectral]

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The notion that rich nations failing to provide charity to poor nations at the rates some people would like constitutes a failure of capitalism is just downright laughable.

Using that as an excuse for communism directly causing the deaths of citizens living under it is just another example of how communists are basically all liars.

[Stacyrect]

The lawsuits probably aren't going to go anywhere and none of this has any impact on their reputation in subjects like physics, where they're one of, or even the, best public institution in the world.

Plz ignore all the sexual assault and personal injury lawsuits as you make your way to the physics department lololol

[Fojos]

"The good violence" according to people on the left (even mentally-deficit democrats).
Not that strange when marxists and feminists support violent revolts.

[Alydael]

Well, when you cultivate a top global program in physics or any other hard science, let me know. Until then, it would seem plausible to think that the university may have some clue what they're doing and didn't just stumble into their current reputation through pure chance.

I was involved in research for my masters. Those grants are extremely competitive. Their are universities around the world vying for it. Most universities involved in it have a grant writing department.

Just look at it like this. You are head of an aerospace company who needs research for your companies future products. Many universities are competing for it. Would you pick the university with all this political stuff going on? I wouldn't. I would see it as a distraction (regardless of what political side the university is on) and just give it to a university that doesn't have that stuff going on.

We are talking about millions of dollars and the future of global multi million dollar (maybe even billion dollar companies). You don't exactly leave stuff like that up to "chance."

[Alydael]

"The good violence" according to people on the left (even mentally-deficit democrats).
Not that strange when marxists and feminists support violent revolts.

Agreed. They have historically always promoted violence. Compare it to the "tea party." I don't really follow the "tea party" (if there even is one anymore) but I don't recall any violence at any of those "tea party" rallies (I could be wrong though).

The surprising thing is not so much that these groups are violent (they always have ben), it is more surprising that people outside of these groups "accept" this violence. We should not accept violence- lock those people up and fine them (like you would with any street criminal).

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I'd pick the university with the most qualified researchers and the best facilities. I don't care what the rabble outside the building is doing unless they're likely to start burning the university down, but they've shown no sign of being interested in more than accosting people who go near them, beating up dumpsters, and other forms of petty vandalism limited almost entirely to the exterior. Doesn't seem like much of a risk to me.

Some of the buildings and facilities have been damaged in the violence. How is that not a "risk." Also, if you granted them the research and something did happen due to the continuing violence, how would you explain that to your boss.

"So, you gave that grant to the university with all the violent protests and didn't see it as a risk?" Seems like that would be difficult to explain.

[Stacyrect]

I mean, this isn't exactly going to continue forever.

It will, so long as it's the professors and faculty of the school who are pushing this on the kids.

[Tijuana]

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Time to label ANTIFA what they are. Domestic terrorists. They dress up in ski masks and beat the shit out of people for no other reason than "you're a racist/fascist" and none of them except a select few have the balls to step out of their anonymity while doing it.

And when their identities are revealed, instead of defending their beliefs. Like they cowards they are, they cut ties to all social media accounts and go into hiding. They are nothing more than thugs that want to silence people for beliefs that they don't like.

This source is bullshit but, it's a completely valid point. When cops who outnumber rioters 10:1 are told to stand by, and allow destruction of property, that directive can only come from the Mayor. I have made similar complaints in other threads. Regardless of the proof, pure logic would dictate that, for SOME REASON, this Mayor wanted to allow the riot to ensue. Perhaps he is not an Antifa member, or whatever. But, clearly this mayor wanted some screen time for the rioters, else the police would have easily arrested the rioters that they outnumbered hugely.

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"The good violence" according to people on the left (even mentally-deficit democrats).
Not that strange when marxists and feminists support violent revolts.

There hasn't ever even been a riot of Conservatives, that I am aware of. I keep asking for Leftists to name one, and they never can. Odd that the pendulum of power swings back and forth, yet one side has never, even one time, felt the need to resort to violence. I wonder what it is that gives one side such clear guidance on morality, that the other side seems to lack?

[ati87]

Allow me to point you to one of their organizing locations. https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/

Though from what I understand /r/Anarchism is mainly European Antifa. Just last night they were criticizing Berkeley Antifa for being weak and not violent enough.

Oh god so of the 4 or so people responded you're the only one that comes with proof which is nothing more then a stupid reddit page?

Seriously you lot have given this guys a name and a entire organization, if the only proof of this crap exist in websites like on stormfront then maybe it is just you're own projection.

[Fojos]

Well, I am not a communist. I don't know whether a communist society would be bad or not. As a German I know a Nazi one would be disastrous, though.



Which communist state?

You germans are even more indoctrinated and sheepish than us swedes. Your ideological viewpoint is not based on democracy and freedom. It's based on democracy "as long as you think like us" (same with us, but not always to the same extreme level). That's not democracy, and frankly you shouldn't pretend to be.


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[Forogil]

Oh god so of the 4 or so people responded you're the only one that comes with proof which is nothing more then a stupid reddit page?

Learn to google:
https://twitter.com/berkeleyantifa
https://www.facebook.com/berkeleyantifa/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

[Zython]

Because not saving someone is not the same thing as killing someone. It's a question of culpability. If you joined your local police force, you could potentially save lives. Are you therefore guilty of murder if you don't join the police?

Inaction is not the same thing as putting a gun in someone's mouth and pulling the trigger.

It's more of a question of "If you join the police force, and choose to do nothing about a murder taking place in front of you, are you responsible for their death?". The problem is that we have the necessary resources to address these problems, but capitalism isn't designed to do so. You can say capitalism is better because they're not killing people on purpose. But at the end of the day, they're still dead, and it's still because of capitalism's failures.

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The picture is absurd nonsense, the reasons why there are no anti polio vaccines in say Pakistan, is because the Taliban kills the doctors administering the vaccines.
how is that capitalism's fault?

Because capitalistic countries propped up the Taliban in the 80's to fight a proxy war against the Soviets.

You couldn't have walked into that one harder if you tried.

The answer to all those problems is a functioning state by the way, that's what us causing the problem, not the lack of money or 'too much capitalism' - the lack of a functioning state.

And yet, even if the state is functioning, and has the money and resources to fix these problems, they don't. Strange...

oh and you have a right to protest, not riot and assault.

Unless you're a Nazi. Got it.

if its anything like your picture earlier its presumably just as much nonsense.

How very rational of you.

The ideology of capitalism exists? (it doesn't) It calls for slavery? (it doesn't) and so forth.

[citation needed]

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The notion that rich nations failing to provide charity to poor nations at the rates some people would like constitutes a failure of capitalism is just downright laughable.

Using that as an excuse for communism directly causing the deaths of citizens living under it is just another example of how communists are basically all liars.

Ah yes, because capitalism has never affected any of those countries negatively. Nope, colonialism is a myth perpetrated by Soros in conjunction with General Electric.

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You germans are even more indoctrinated and sheepish than us swedes. Your ideological viewpoint is not based on democracy and freedom. It's based on democracy "as long as you think like us" (same with us, but not always to the same extreme level). That's not democracy, and frankly you shouldn't pretend to be.

Dude. All he did was say that fascism was bad.