Berkeley Mayor exposed As Member of Militant Antifa Group That Orchestrated Riots

[OrcsRLame]

It's more of a question of "If you join the police force, and choose to do nothing about a murder taking place in front of you, are you responsible for their death?". The problem is that we have the necessary resources to address these problems, but capitalism isn't designed to do so. You can say capitalism is better because they're not killing people on purpose. But at the end of the day, they're still dead, and it's still because of capitalism's failures.

You have the resources to join the police force, but you're not doing it. You're just trying to re-frame the question in a way that absolves you of guilt, but all you're doing is arguing semantics. The crux of your argument is that Capitalism has the means to help people but does not, therefore murder. I am asserting that can be applied to anyone that does not give everything they have of their time, energy and resources, to helping other people.

It's absurd to hold an economic system to a higher standard than we do real people, because that economic system was made and run by real people.

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Oh god so of the 4 or so people responded you're the only one that comes with proof which is nothing more then a stupid reddit page?

Seriously you lot have given this guys a name and a entire organization, if the only proof of this crap exist in websites like on stormfront then maybe it is just you're own projection.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=antifa

There's like a million videos on youtube of Antifa doing shit in the real world. Here's one of my personal favorites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpSmW_wTaPM

Also, you could always try going to their reddit page and asking them if they're real. It takes like 2 minutes to make a reddit account.

[Spectral]

Ah yes, because capitalism has never affected any of those countries negatively. Nope, colonialism is a myth perpetrated by Soros in conjunction with General Electric.

Most notably, this elides the actually point and moves the goalposts.

Even as a standalone post, it's a bunch of dopey buzzwords strung together. Smithian capitalism has little nothing to do with colonialism. Modern neoliberalism has even less to do with colonialism. Leftist academics love blaming colonialism for everything in poor nations and maybe they're even right, but this really has nothing to do with modern capitalist nations trading with poor nations, which increases wealth substantially for both trading partners.

The central point, which you'd rather lie your way around than address, is that communist nations murder and starve there own citizens with great regularity, which makes a direct comparison to insufficient charity from capitalist nations outright absurd.

[Stacyrect]

Most notably, this elides the actually point and moves the goalposts.

Even as a standalone post, it's a bunch of dopey buzzwords strung together. Smithian capitalism has little nothing to do with colonialism. Modern neoliberalism has even less to do with colonialism. Leftist academics love blaming colonialism for everything in poor nations and maybe they're even right, but this really has nothing to do with modern capitalist nations trading with poor nations, which increases wealth substantially for both trading partners.

The central point, which you'd rather lie your way around than address, is that communist nations murder and starve there own citizens with great regularity, which makes a direct comparison to insufficient charity from capitalist nations outright absurd.

Don't bring facts into this

[ArmoredDragoon]

"It was estimated that the rioters caused $100,000 in damage to the MLK Student Union" ...lul.. Antifa nice one.. so much for "protecting minorities"

I have a small collection of foreign and old currencies, and among my collection is a 5 reichsmark Hindenburg coin (the version with eagle and swaztika on the back.) On this coin is written: "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" which means "The community comes before the Individual".

This quote is pretty much the cornerstone of fascism, and US conservatives don't even begin to fit that description, and in fact they're quite the opposite because they very much prefer individualism. Antifa on the other hand, or at least those who seem sympathetic of it, do seem to favor the community over the individual, and it does seem that their leaders prefer kristallnacht style operations against their perceived enemies. Just food for thought.

And on a tangent, it's ironic that a lot of far left groups love to denounce fascism and yet they tend to personify it. Stalinism for example is only superficially different from fascism, and his overall message was that fascism is bad and the west is bad because they were supposedly still fascist (the Berlin Wall, which came after Stalin, was labeled the 'anti-fascist line' and was supposedly to keep the fascists out, though admittedly some European countries such as Spain remained fascist well after world war 2.)

That said, many westerners can't seem to tell the difference between most forms of dictatorship and then fascism, and there's quite a difference. IMO the country that best resembles fascism today is Venezeula. In some respects they resemble outright National Socialism, aka Nazi ideology, with their leader Maduro using similar tactics as Hitler. Notice Hitler gained support by creating an enemy in the Jews and blamed them for all of his country's problems; Maduro does basically the same, only with Americans instead of Jews. Fascism (as Benito Mussolini coined the term) has nothing to do with racism, by the way, that concept came later with Germany's National Socialism which threw race and ethnicity into the national socialist identity.

By the way, many accuse Trump of being fascist, but the glove just doesn't fit. You can argue that he behaves in many ways like a dictator, but he doesn't seem to value the community over the individual like real fascists do. His ideology is somewhere else entirely.

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deos on youtube of Antifa doing shit in the real world. Here's one of my personal favorites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpSmW_wTaPM

Also, you could always try going to their reddit page and asking them if they're real. It takes like 2 minutes to make a reddit account.

Anybody besides myself notice that these armed Antifa groups are wearing brown shirts?

[Forogil]

Anybody besides myself notice that these armed Antifa groups are wearing brown shirts?

I haven't noticed before - but the brown shirts were traditionally the left-wing nazists; so it would make sense.
That leads to the question if there will be a night of the long knives.

[ArmoredDragoon]

I haven't noticed before - but the brown shirts were traditionally the left-wing nazists; so it would make sense.
That leads to the question if there will be a night of the long knives.

Here's a nice close up shot of an Antifa member speaking:

https://youtu.be/CpSmW_wTaPM?t=3m35s

[Raunchy]

Dude, ur posting this on mmo champ do kind of response do u expect

[Tijuana]

I have a small collection of foreign and old currencies, and among my collection is a 5 reichsmark Hindenburg coin (the version with eagle and swaztika on the back.) On this coin is written: "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" which means "The community comes before the Individual".

This quote is pretty much the cornerstone of fascism, and US conservatives don't even begin to fit that description, and in fact they're quite the opposite because they very much prefer individualism. Antifa on the other hand, or at least those who seem sympathetic of it, do seem to favor the community over the individual, and it does seem that their leaders prefer kristallnacht style operations against their perceived enemies. Just food for thought.

And on a tangent, it's ironic that a lot of far left groups love to denounce fascism and yet they tend to personify it. Stalinism for example is only superficially different from fascism, and his overall message was that fascism is bad and the west is bad because they were supposedly still fascist (the Berlin Wall, which came after Stalin, was labeled the 'anti-fascist line' and was supposedly to keep the fascists out, though admittedly some European countries such as Spain remained fascist well after world war 2.)

That said, many westerners can't seem to tell the difference between most forms of dictatorship and then fascism, and there's quite a difference. IMO the country that best resembles fascism today is Venezeula. In some respects they resemble outright National Socialism, aka Nazi ideology, with their leader Maduro using similar tactics as Hitler. Notice Hitler gained support by creating an enemy in the Jews and blamed them for all of his country's problems; Maduro does basically the same, only with Americans instead of Jews. Fascism (as Benito Mussolini coined the term) has nothing to do with racism, by the way, that concept came later with Germany's National Socialism which threw race and ethnicity into the national socialist identity.

By the way, many accuse Trump of being fascist, but the glove just doesn't fit. You can argue that he behaves in many ways like a dictator, but he doesn't seem to value the community over the individual like real fascists do. His ideology is somewhere else entirely.

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Anybody besides myself notice that these armed Antifa groups are wearing brown shirts?

I could not agree more. I also think these two ways of thinking, are why Europeans and Americans see government so differently. It's the core reason we just can't seem to wrap our minds around the other's way of thinking.

[Zython]

Most notably, this elides the actually point and moves the goalposts.

Even as a standalone post, it's a bunch of dopey buzzwords strung together. Smithian capitalism has little nothing to do with colonialism. Modern neoliberalism has even less to do with colonialism. Leftist academics love blaming colonialism for everything in poor nations and maybe they're even right, but this really has nothing to do with modern capitalist nations trading with poor nations, which increases wealth substantially for both trading partners.

So...colonialism happened for shits and giggles. No profit incentive whatsoever?

The central point, which you'd rather lie your way around than address, is that communist nations murder and starve there own citizens with great regularity, which makes a direct comparison to insufficient charity from capitalist nations outright absurd.

And capitalistic countries don't?

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You have the resources to join the police force, but you're not doing it. You're just trying to re-frame the question in a way that absolves you of guilt, but all you're doing is arguing semantics. The crux of your argument is that Capitalism has the means to help people but does not, therefore murder. I am asserting that can be applied to anyone that does not give everything they have of their time, energy and resources, to helping other people.

It's absurd to hold an economic system to a higher standard than we do real people, because that economic system was made and run by real people.

That's because you're applying ideas of individual culpability to an economic system, which makes no sense.

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This quote is pretty much the cornerstone of fascism, and US conservatives don't even begin to fit that description, and in fact they're quite the opposite because they very much prefer individualism. Antifa on the other hand, or at least those who seem sympathetic of it, do seem to favor the community over the individual, and it does seem that their leaders prefer kristallnacht style operations against their perceived enemies. Just food for thought.

If conservatives are individualists, how come they call people "snowflakes" for refusing to conform to societal/gender norms?

[Deleted]

If conservatives are individualists, how come they call people "snowflakes" for refusing to conform to societal/gender norms?

Because claiming you're a Xe/Xhe/Zyr while still promoting Socialist dogma isn't individualism, it's people adding "tags" onto their personality like it matters.

[Zython]

Because claiming you're a Xe/Xhe/Zyr while still promoting Socialist dogma isn't individualism, it's people adding "tags" onto their personality like it matters.

"I support individualism except in terms of gender, sexuality, race, ethnicity, culture, nationality, religion, or political views" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

[ArmoredDragoon]

If conservatives are individualists, how come they call people "snowflakes" for refusing to conform to societal/gender norms?

"I support individualism except in terms of gender, sexuality, race, ethnicity, culture, nationality, religion, or political views" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

I think that has more to do with them not liking that particular identity. Think sega kids vs nintendo kids: They don't like each other's camps, but they all want to hog the controller.

Think also in terms of how US conservatives believe everybody should find their individualized means of sustenance (income) as opposed to welfare, individualized means of providing health care, etc.

Disclaimer: I am a libertarian, so my views happen to coincide with the conservative view of individualism.

[Super Kami Dende]

Wouldn't surprise me though. He is a Mayor in CALIFORNIA of all places.

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If conservatives are individualists, how come they call people "snowflakes" for refusing to conform to societal/gender norms?

If Liberals are such Scientific people, how come they think there is more than 2 genders?

[Masark]

If Liberals are such Scientific people, how come they think there is more than 2 genders?

Because that is what science tells us?

Genetics and physiology don't fit into your neat little categories. There's a whole lot of in-between in sexes.

And then you pile societal stuff on top of that, which makes gender much more complicated.

[Spectral]

So...colonialism happened for shits and giggles. No profit incentive whatsoever?

I think you just don't really know what capitalism is. Someone somewhere making a profit doesn't actually make something capitalism. You don't really have the minimum required knowledge to have a conversation about this.

And capitalistic countries don't?

No, pretty much no one is starving in any modern, capitalist economy. This is basically a non-problem.

[Super Kami Dende]

If evolution is true, then why are there still monkeys?

THough I think you could use this guys meme for Genders as well.

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Because that is what science tells us?

Genetics and physiology don't fit into your neat little categories. There's a whole lot of in-between in sexes.

And then you pile societal stuff on top of that, which makes gender much more complicated.

XY
XX

pretty neat categories.

[Masark]

XY
XX

pretty neat categories.

Except that X and Y are not the end-all-be-all of sex differentiation, which you would know if you had bothered to read the article I linked.

[ArmoredDragoon]

If evolution is true, then why are there still monkeys?

In scientific terms, there are only two sexes, male and female. You can argue til the cows come home about gender being more, but that isn't a topic of empirical science. With regard to the transgender topic, one can change gender, but not biological sex.

[Kraenen]

Wasn't there a finding way back about how conservatives had a harder time thinking in nuance and preferred binary statements? Seems to apply here. At any rate, someone who thinks reality fits into 2 categories is far too simple-minded. Why not just collapse this into 1 category and say we're all human with no nuance, no variation whatsoever? Why the need to make special snowflakes out of everyone?

[Masark]

In scientific terms, there are only two sexes, male and female. You can argue til the cows come home about gender being more, but that isn't a topic of empirical science. With regard to the transgender topic, one can change gender, but not biological sex.

Might want to read the Nature article I linked. You are incorrect.