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  1. #421
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I wasn't speaking about the Berkeley protests though, but I get that you keep falling back on it because it's a good example and the more recent protests don't fit your narrative.
    Me: Talk about x.
    You: Ask for more information about x.
    Me: Gives you information about x.
    You: Mad at me because you didn't want to talk about x.

    You are acting like a cat who wants me to pet her and then gets mad and paws at me for petting her, because she remembered she didnt want to get pet on, she wanted food.

  2. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by Karfal View Post
    Actually voter I'D laws, you know a valid state ID to vote that any LEGAL citizen has access to, targets illegals. Democrats of course need their illegals to vote though to maintain power.
    Prove that people with undocumented status have voted in large enough numbers to affect any vote, ever, in the history of ever. Cite real sources. I'll wait.

    Voter ID laws do nothing. They never have. You're incredibly misinformed if you believe otherwise.
    "Lack of information on your part does not constitute bias on mine."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulslaver View Post
    Me: Talk about x.
    You: Ask for more information about x.
    Me: Gives you information about x.
    You: Mad at me because you didn't want to talk about x.

    You are acting like a cat who wants me to pet her and then gets mad and paws at me for petting her, because she remembered she didnt want to get pet on, she wanted food.
    Or, as you've proven multiple times in this thread, you're incapable of following a conversation with multiple lines of dialogue and your low level of reading comprehension causes you to get confused.
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    Because fuck you, that's why.

  4. #424
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krigaren View Post
    Prove that people with undocumented status have voted in large enough numbers to affect any vote, ever, in the history of ever. Cite real sources. I'll wait.

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    Here's one of virginia:
    https://publicinterestlegal.org/file...n-Virginia.pdf

    Voter ID laws do nothing. They never have. You're incredibly misinformed if you believe otherwise
    The rest of the first world, and even some 2nd and third world countries who have voter ID must be incredibly misinformed then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulslaver View Post
    I doubt the validity and neutrality of your anecdotally collected source.

    I defer to statistics on a national level, which roundly produce voter fraud percentages so tiny that people seeing UFOs is a more common occurrence.

    The rest of the first world, and even some 2nd and third world countries who have voter ID must be incredibly misinformed then.
    They also have socialized medicine.


    Voter ID laws do exactly one thing: disenfranchise minorities and young people. Which conservatives are all for, because those two groups don't tend to vote for them.

    Don't believe me? Here's a smattering of sources on the subject.

    The Economist: A texas law could disenfranchise 600,000 voters

    The Atlantic: How voter ID laws are being used to disenfranchise minorities and the poor

    Newsweek: Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory Efforts to Disenfranchise, Courts Rule

    NPR: 'Racially Discriminatory Intent' And Voter ID Laws

    PBS: Texas voter ID law discriminates against minorities, court rules

    I posted a lot of links from many different news sources, though I await your reasoning as to why PBS and NPR are "liberal socialist drek."
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  6. #426
    I mean, if she's not allowed on campus and she goes, yes, they will arrest her.

  7. #427
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post


    This is a bronze plaque found at the University of Berkeley, if they don't let her speak they are hypocrites.
    That, my friend, is the irony of the left side of the political spectrum. Do as we say, don't do as we do.
    Each side of the political spectrum has hypocritical moments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulslaver View Post
    look at thos people causing touble. YOU GOT ME BRO.

    Meanwhile the left





    vs the violent alt-right riots
    Lol...
    Those alt-right people are something to be feared. How many millions of dollars of damage did they cause again?
    Anybody???
    Anybody???

  8. #428
    It would make sense to have a speaker with different viewpoints if they were genuinely trying to persuade and they have something worth listening to. That's not what people like Coulter are doing. She just stirs up shit for profit. She's an older version of Milo. She doesn't give a shit about convincing liberals to agree with her thinking.

  9. #429
    Quote Originally Posted by Soulslaver View Post
    Meanwhile, we have to dig deep to find peaceful left wing riots lately.
    Who has time to go to these things anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karfal View Post
    Where has their been peaceful protest? Its all riots and verbal, physical assault.
    Peaceful ones don't make national news. Only the racous one make the news. People never hear about the peaceful ones.

  10. #430
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Multiple court rulings have found otherwise. They're usually targeted at suppressing the vote of minorities and the poor, who tend to vote Democrat.



    Citation needed*
    Not having an ID suppresses you from purchasing alcohol or tobacco. If you use a credit card you have to present some form of ID.

    Typical places that ask for Picture ID :

    Grocery stores ( if you are using Credit Card )
    Gas stations (when you are buying anything using Credit card)
    Liquor store.( Even if you do not buy and accompany with others)
    Dance Clubs and Bars
    Mail pick up from FedEx, UPS or any others
    Public Library (for getting library Card )
    Casino (even if you do not play)
    Banks ( if you want to withdraw money or check balance)
    Airport
    Any stores where you buy using Credit Card.
    Fast Food places (if you use credit card)
    Restaurants (if you use credit card)
    Any corporate offices ( if you are visiting anyone, for Visitor ID)
    Coffee shops ( if you use credit card)
    Renting anything for outdoor Jet Skis, Boats, Canoe, etc
    Car Rentals ( You need Driver’s license for sure)
    Any theme parks like Disney, etc for rentals
    Any outdoor activity like Sky diving, Bunge Jumping, etc

    Should we find judges to block ID for these uses also since it prevents you from accessing services? Sorry but those judgements are partisan based on the myth that something you need for everything else prevents people from voting.
    Last edited by Barnabas; 2017-04-25 at 03:51 AM.

  11. #431
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I doubt the validity and neutrality of your anecdotally collected source.

    I defer to statistics on a national level, which roundly produce voter fraud percentages so tiny that people seeing UFOs is a more common occurrence.



    They also have socialized medicine.


    Voter ID laws do exactly one thing: disenfranchise minorities and young people. Which conservatives are all for, because those two groups don't tend to vote for them.

    Don't believe me? Here's a smattering of sources on the subject.

    The Economist: A texas law could disenfranchise 600,000 voters

    The Atlantic: How voter ID laws are being used to disenfranchise minorities and the poor

    Newsweek: Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory Efforts to Disenfranchise, Courts Rule

    NPR: 'Racially Discriminatory Intent' And Voter ID Laws

    PBS: Texas voter ID law discriminates against minorities, court rules

    I posted a lot of links from many different news sources, though I await your reasoning as to why PBS and NPR are "liberal socialist drek."
    Kek... Have to love it.
    Doubts his sources but comes back with his own.
    Part of the very reason I rarely use citations to verify my claims on this site. Because when you do provide them PEOPLE DON'T FREAKING ACCEPT THEM.

  12. #432
    There's nothing wrong with the concept of requiring I.D. to vote. That's not what republicans are doing. They are targeting likely dem voters with the laws not only for I.D. requirements but early voting, locations, etc...

    The start of the conversation for them is, "How can we make it harder for dems to vote?" not "How can we make sure voting isn't being abused?".

  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    There's nothing wrong with the concept of requiring I.D. to vote. That's not what republicans are doing. They are targeting likely dem voters with the laws not only for I.D. requirements but early voting, locations, etc...

    The start of the conversation for them is, "How can we make it harder for dems to vote?" not "How can we make sure voting isn't being abused?".
    Still a myth. Getting a democrat to get off their fat ass to go vote for a democrat candidate seems to be the harder issue.

  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Nexx226 View Post
    Berkeley has over 40k students. I doubt it's a significant amount of them causing problems.
    Shhh, don't break their fantasy that the entire place is a wretched hive of militant anarcho-liberal-socialist-commi-nazi scum that needs to be nuked from orbit.

  15. #435
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    As someone who pays for everything with credit cards, it has probably been over a year since the last time anyone asked to see my ID.

    I have an ID because I drive and even if I didn't, I'd probably get away without one as long as I was careful not to speed. That's a stupid gamble since my ability to have a license isn't restricted, but if I lived in an urban area where public transportation or walking were viable, I wouldn't even need a driver's license.
    So your signature you give the merchant matches the one on your card? They probably don't even bother to check? You'd still need an ID card living in an urban area. It doesn't exempt you from access to things requiring an ID.

  16. #436
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    I'm not positive, but I think merchants can't actually refuse to run my card if I refuse to show ID as long as I have the actual card, at least for Visa and Mastercard. Some will likely try, such as the store I used to work at, but as far as I know I can report them and they'll have to deal with the card company. I don't really want to go dig through all the legal information for merchants at the moment to make sure that's still a rule.

    But yeah, they don't bother to check. Like Meijer, I can purchase $200 in whatever and they just want a signature. My signature looks like garbage and changes drastically every time, so it's not even useful, but it doesn't matter. They'll still take the card. You can sit here and act like ID is something you can't live without, but I mean there are people who literally don't have an ID of any kind who seem to be living just fine. I basically never use my ID. It just sits in my wallet in case I get pulled over for some reason. Even then, now that most of the officers have computers in their cars, it's not even necessarily a big deal without it. A lot of cops will cut you slack as long as you have a valid license when they look it up and are otherwise being polite.
    Because myths have been allowed to perpetuate about ID's that they have become standard. Like people that claim when they show ID at a grocery store they are subject to identity theft when in fact people have a hard time even remembering your name after they just met you. Then they have this expectation that they will remember more than that. BTW merchants can refuse your card if they want to do but they don't care as long as they get your money if it is actually you or not. It's like the chip thing. Some places accept it while others don't rendering any type of security pointless. So people want the same thing with voting. You show nothing involving identity and can move on. Why? Because GIVE ME CONVENIENCE OR GIVE ME DEATH!

    http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-psycholog...-at-1550972798
    Last edited by Barnabas; 2017-04-25 at 04:28 AM.

  17. #437
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    Really doesn't matter why because regardless it means I don't need an ID for those things.
    Because it's about your convenience and fuck all for everything else.

  18. #438
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allybeboba View Post
    Kek... Have to love it.
    Doubts his sources but comes back with his own.
    Part of the very reason I rarely use citations to verify my claims on this site. Because when you do provide them PEOPLE DON'T FREAKING ACCEPT THEM.
    All sources are not equal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  19. #439
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    What's wrong with college kids today? They need to incite violence with everyone they disagree with instead of debating them? That's what low brow people do, not educated individuals. It must really be easy to get into Berkeley these days.
    They are all feminazis, cucks, and nu-males.

  20. #440
    Quote Originally Posted by Soulslaver View Post
    Here's one of virginia:
    https://publicinterestlegal.org/file...n-Virginia.pdf



    The rest of the first world, and even some 2nd and third world countries who have voter ID must be incredibly misinformed then.
    You linked a study that showed that 1000 illegals REGISTERED to vote, but nothing where they actually voted? Is that all you have?

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