Is anyone expecting sylvanas to eventually do something evil.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

She didn't, Garrosh did. She was busy trying to kill herself on ICC while Garrosh decided to throw the Forsaken at Gilneas to remove a potential Alliance port city.

i mean its still kinda her fault for trying to kill her self instead of governing her people.

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oh you mean useing Plague womens on Innocent? Gilneas... and Southpaw, even if we say anderhall was not contested battleground, where all civilians are gone. Still used Plague womens there.. Or sacrifised Humans for blood ritual for "Dark Mirror"

tried to enslave Valkyr. tried to, or made a deal with Helya which is a villain so what does that make sylvanas?

Oh yeah, improsined and tortured Koltira Deathweaver, because He did not want to use Plague weapons on a Force that was retreating.

yeah nah, she is aint a villain, cus she looks pretty therefor she is a great charcter.

didn't she imprison deathweaver because he was working with thassarian? i could be wrong been a while since I've done those quest.

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Make a deal with the legion or the void lords anything is possible.

What do you mean eventually do something evil? Have you slept since Vanilla? When has she ever done something that wasn't?

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What do you mean eventually do something evil? Have you slept since Vanilla? When has she ever done something that wasn't?

Sylvanas is Waifu and Gofik, so nothing she does can be evil. especially since a story in a game can never be written bad and therefore everything written in WoW is absolutely logical and writing on par with the Lord of the Rings, therefore she is not evil as long as the world doesn't reacts to her evil deeds.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Southshore stopped being a civilian target when it started launching raids by attacking Tarren Mill first as per quest logs from Vanilla. Plus the commanders in the area went rogue which is why you had to kill them. For Gilneas I ask of you, can you think of a better way to win the war that doesn't wipe out your people because A) Gilneas gets the upper hand or B) Garrosh finds out what's going on and has his Kor'kron execute the whole damn lot of you? If you have a realistic answer (Siding with Gilneas or getting alliance help isn't realistic) that doesn't involve the near extinction I'm listening.

As for "nothing on par." we're talking about a faction that has at times used their mages to completely firebomb entire zones.

Also going by the entire video it seems anyone not a Paladin was dead quicker than they could comprehend what was happening. Quicker than being in a damn firebomb or hacked and left laying on the ground with missing body parts as you slowly bleed out. The only things that lasted longer than it takes Bolt to run 100m was Arthas and Bolvar. Arthas because he's the Lich King and Bolvar from some stupid light reason.

da blazes you talking about southshore for. we were talking about the city of furrys no one brought up southshore.

as for gilneas as i said before just because you don't want to lose people doesn't make it ok, and if she really wanted to she could tell garrosh to suck a dick and bunker up in undercity even though id say that would be a stupid thing to do.

i was hoping you would bring up the video. go to 307 it looks like that orc isn't dead quicker then they could comprehend it kinda seems like his face is melting.

you also never answered what wmd's the alliance had.

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Sylvanas is Waifu and Gofik, so nothing she does can be evil. especially since a story in a game can never be written bad and therefore everything written in WoW is absolutely logical and writing on par with the Lord of the Rings, therefore she is not evil as long as the world doesn't reacts to her evil deeds.

i don't get it i think shes a fine character and i like her even though she is evil i don't get why people have to bend over backwords to try and say she isn't even when she clearly is. just because some ones evil doesn't mean you can't like them.

[Deleted]

There wasn't even a valid point to attack Gilneas to begin with. Has she ever tried to build up diplomatic relationships with humanity if Garrosh really threatens her? Because outside of Soutshore, where we don't have any proves who started the aggression and which is only one little town that in some way endangered the whole Forsaken, there wasn't that much of aggressions from the Human Side. Nothing that would indicate that the Humans of the Alliance are all for slaughter every undead, they have proven themselves to be rather accepting of undead Members.

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i don't get it i think shes a fine character and i like her even though she is evil i don't get why people have to bend over backwords to try and say she isn't even when she clearly is. just because some ones evil doesn't mean you can't like them.

Because its WoW. It is a story for people who also think that Marvel Comics have formidable writing.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There wasn't even a valid point to attack Gilneas to begin with. Has she ever tried to build up diplomatic relationships with humanity if Garrosh really threatens her? Because outside of Soutshore, where we don't have any proves who started the aggression and which is only one little town that in some way endangered the whole Forsaken, there wasn't that much of aggressions from the Human Side. Nothing that would indicate that the Humans of the Alliance are all for slaughter every undead, they have proven themselves to be rather accepting of undead Members.

the closest shes ever come to being diplomatic is when she came up with the idea to murder her sister and her kids so they could live in undercity.

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There wasn't even a valid point to attack Gilneas to begin with. Has she ever tried to build up diplomatic relationships with humanity if Garrosh really threatens her? Because outside of Soutshore, where we don't have any proves who started the aggression and which is only one little town that in some way endangered the whole Forsaken, there wasn't that much of aggressions from the Human Side. Nothing that would indicate that the Humans of the Alliance are all for slaughter every undead, they have proven themselves to be rather accepting of undead Members.

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Because its WoW. It is a story for people who also think that Marvel Comics have formidable writing.

that hurts i like marvel comics.....

[Friendlyimmolation]

There wasn't even a valid point to attack Gilneas to begin with. Has she ever tried to build up diplomatic relationships with humanity if Garrosh really threatens her? Because outside of Soutshore, where we don't have any proves who started the aggression and which is only one little town that in some way endangered the whole Forsaken, there wasn't that much of aggressions from the Human Side. Nothing that would indicate that the Humans of the Alliance are all for slaughter every undead, they have proven themselves to be rather accepting of undead Members.

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Because its WoW. It is a story for people who also think that Marvel Comics have formidable writing.

It's like you really are lost arent you? Is the Story too hard for you to understand? Your signature says you are a tactician but I bet you didn't spend even 10 seconds thinking about why she couldn't refuse Garrosh.

the closest shes ever come to being diplomatic is when she came up with the idea to murder her sister and her kids so they could live in undercity.

She never planned to kill her kids, she even flat out said Undercity was no place for them, only then did Vereesa even remember she fucking had kids.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It's like you really are lost arent you? Is the Story too hard for you to understand? Your signature says you are a tactician but I bet you didn't spend even 10 seconds thinking about why she couldn't refuse Garrosh.




She never planned to kill her kids, she even flat out said Undercity was no place for them, only then did Vereesa even remember she fucking had kids.

you might be right i'm not gonna say i remember it 100% thought she did but i could be wrong. but she was gonna murder vereesa.

[Kallisto]

da blazes you talking about southshore for. we were talking about the city of furrys no one brought up southshore.

as for gilneas as i said before just because you don't want to lose people doesn't make it ok, and if she really wanted to she could tell garrosh to suck a dick and bunker up in undercity even though id say that would be a stupid thing to do.

i was hoping you would bring up the video. go to 307 it looks like that orc isn't dead quicker then they could comprehend it kinda seems like his face is melting.

you also never answered what wmd's the alliance had.

Because people bring up Southshore all the time. So it's clearly right to assume everytime someone brings up the plague they also talk about Southshore because 99.999999999% of the time they do.

She can't bunker in Undercity, did you forget Undercity was basically under martial law with Kor'kron everywhere. Saying no basically means death sentance for the Forsaken, attacking the Gilneans the way Garrosh wanted was a death sentence for the Forasken. Now I ask you again, bring in a better tactics and leave 21st century morality at the door.

WMDs. Mages themselves are one, for christ sake get a handful of mages together they can take down cities worth of people in mere seconds. Humans in the warcraft universe have done it pleanty of times over the warcraft past and are considered heroes. Creating fireballs that are the size of MOABs.

[Aucald]

you might be right i'm not gonna say i remember it 100% thought she did but i could be wrong. but she was gonna murder vereesa.

Sylvanas was going to murder Vereesa painlessly and convert her into being like Sylvanas herself - a Dark Ranger one would assume. Vereesa thought she would rule by Sylvanas' side as a still living aide-de-camp of sorts but Sylvanas felt that the Forsaken would not accept a living leader, even the sister of their Banshee Queen.

[Redroniksre]

i don't get it i think shes a fine character and i like her even though she is evil i don't get why people have to bend over backwords to try and say she isn't even when she clearly is. just because some ones evil doesn't mean you can't like them.

I agree so much. I love her as a character but i like her being evil/dark grey, makes things more interesting then always noble.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Because people bring up Southshore all the time. So it's clearly right to assume everytime someone brings up the plague they also talk about Southshore because 99.999999999% of the time they do.

She can't bunker in Undercity, did you forget Undercity was basically under martial law with Kor'kron everywhere. Saying no basically means death sentance for the Forsaken, attacking the Gilneans the way Garrosh wanted was a death sentence for the Forasken. Now I ask you again, bring in a better tactics and leave 21st century morality at the door.

WMDs. Mages themselves are one, for christ sake get a handful of mages together they can take down cities worth of people in mere seconds. Humans in the warcraft universe have done it pleanty of times over the warcraft past and are considered heroes. Creating fireballs that are the size of MOABs.

I didn't bring up south shore I don't care about south shore.

As I said in my post bunkering in under city would be stupid but if she wanted to he could. Personally if I was her I'd try to side with the blood elfs and tell garrosh to sod off. Then only foot holds in the Easter kingdom are forsaken and blood elfs so it's not like he could do much other then send boats over witch I doubt he would do and leave org light on orcs.

As for mages I was just wondering if you meant them because you didn't awnser. And U.S. Mages are dicks unless there defending from invaders i wouldn't call them any where near Heros.

[Chickat]

when has sylvanas not done something evil? shes been doing evil stuff since she was raised.

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he was hunting nathanous because he found out his cousin was an zombie murdering people i doubt it had any thing to with the alliance.

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how is she slightly evil she wanted to murder her sister and her kids to make them zombies shes full on evil. not that thats a bad thing.

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i mean she tried mass genocide in gilneas.

That was war. Was she not ordered to by Garrosh?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Sylvanas was going to murder Vereesa painlessly and convert her into being like Sylvanas herself - a Dark Ranger one would assume. Vereesa thought she would rule by Sylvanas' side as a still living aide-de-camp of sorts but Sylvanas felt that the Forsaken would not accept a living leader, even the sister of their Banshee Queen.

Ya still a pretty evil thing to do. More so because after Icc she would know that either undead get hell or that she gets hell. Not quite sure if all undead get hell almost all of them seem to become ghost unleaded cleansed/released so maybe you get hell and become a ghost? I don't know.

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That was war. Was she not ordered to by Garrosh?

That was never in question not sure why you bring it up. Garrosh was a massive dick at that point I wouldn't say he was evil as he didn't want to use the plague but that was probably more so to kill the forsaken rather then spare the furrys. But you put a guy who has spent years fighting Zombies in charge of a faction with a zombie population it's kinda clear he's not gonna be ok with the zombies.

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I agree so much. I love her as a character but i like her being evil/dark grey, makes things more interesting then always noble.

Pretty much there's no point to try and make her a good person, she's not and that's ok i like evil characters a lot.

[Deleted]

It's like you really are lost arent you? Is the Story too hard for you to understand? Your signature says you are a tactician but I bet you didn't spend even 10 seconds thinking about why she couldn't refuse Garrosh.

Being polemic doesn't makes you smart as long as you don't offer any valid counter-arguments, kiddo. By Virtue of me being able to see the weaknesses of the writing in the Warcraft-Setting, while you think that everything is perfectly in the best way written as long as it pushes your Waifu I have proven myself more intelligent than you, so why don't so simply stop it and return to...what edgy kids do nowaday, I don't know the currently edgiest bands. Like, I guess like my Asking Alexandria jokes don't work because you are too young to remember them? Could we stop this for a minute and you give me a hint what would be a currently popular band you truly edgy and unique and deep kids listen these days on which I could make references? Like, how is this Band called that made this Suicide Squad Music Video? 21 Pilots? Is this on the Level of Sylvanas Edgy?

She never planned to kill her kids, she even flat out said Undercity was no place for them, only then did Vereesa even remember she fucking had kids.

This doesn't changes the fact that she intended to kill Vereesa in chapters that had heavily incestuous undertones on her part. Or that her reaction when Vereesa refused to live in undercity lead to a reaction that was so edgy that I'm still not sure if Golden did not maybe intended it to be humorous, because otherwise it would be sadly unintentionally the funniest moment in the entire novel.

Infracted.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Being polemic doesn't makes you smart as long as you don't offer any valid counter-arguments, kiddo.

There is no point in ever spending my time to offer a serious argument when all you can do is continue to make band references and then pull shit like this.

This doesn't changes the fact that she intended to kill Vereesa in chapters that had heavily incestuous undertones on her part. Or that her reaction when Vereesa refused to live in undercity lead to a reaction that was so edgy that I'm still not sure if Golden did not maybe intended it to be humorous, because otherwise it would be sadly unintentionally the funniest moment in the entire novel.

To become so bothered by a character, that you have to start calling them lesbian or spouting band names?

[Zulkhan]

These threads are so trite and the premise so boring that I don't feel it's even worth the time to respond. So I'll just quote someone more intelligent than me who once gave the definitive and perfect answer for threads of this kind:

She's not "just" evil. She's not a black and white character. She's pragmatic to boot and cares very little about others than her self and her people, which is now the entire Horde, which could be interesting. She did not just kill Genn's son out of spite; they were at war not to mention that he takes the arrow instead of his father. Yes, she did disobey Garrosh, but only partly, since she was told to conquer Gilneas no matter what. In Legion, Genn is the one who instigates war with the Horde in Stormheim, not Sylvanas. No one from the Alliance even attempts to ask the Horde, why they ran away from the Broken Shore, they simply just assumed that they'd been betrayed and went apeshit instead of sending a single ambassador or diplomat or even envoy.

Sylvanas isn't kind, or good, obviously. But she isn't not just evil, if she was she wouldn't have saved the Horde at the Broken Shore, nor would she have helped Varian or anyone else during that battle. It's not black and white.... NEXT!

Goodbye.

[Tripzzz]

This thread should be renamed "Is anyone expecting Slyvanus​ to eventually do something." Because she hasn't done shit since her encounter with Genn. If she ever does anything, there is a 50% chance she does something evil like trying to enslave a sentient being and a 50% she does something stupid like trusting a dreadlord.

[Dispraise]

i don't get it i think shes a fine character and i like her even though she is evil i don't get why people have to bend over backwords to try and say she isn't even when she clearly is. just because some ones evil doesn't mean you can't like them.

The fact that she's a villain is what makes her an interesting character. That's why she's likable. Without that facet, all that's left of her character is a brooding whiner. The attempts to whitewash her are boring as all shit.

Garrosh, by contrast, is just an all-around horrible character, who makes other characters around him horrible by association. At no point in his story was he ever interesting or engaging, and every instance of him in the lore only serves to bring down it's overall quality.

She never planned to kill her kids, she even flat out said Undercity was no place for them, only then did Vereesa even remember she fucking had kids.

Vereesa really is awful. One of the most awful characters in the lore, but for the fact that her general uselessness also renders her completely irrelevant.

[Venziir]

These threads are so trite and the premise so boring that I don't feel it's even worth the time to respond. So I'll just quote someone more intelligent than me who once gave the definitive and perfect answer for threads of this kind:



Goodbye.

Heh, thanks for the kind words.