“You want to keep the EU funds, but you don’t want our values.” - EU to Hungary

[Cybran]

https://www.ft.com/content/425fc8de-...8-168383da43b7

Senior EU leaders on Wednesday rounded on Hungary’s prime minister Viktor Orban for waging a campaign against the bloc, ratcheting up tension between Brussels and Budapest.

Mr Orban’s government has been running a “Stop Brussels” campaign in Hungary, sending 8m letters to citizens accusing the EU of jeopardising the country’s independence with some of its policies.

Hungary’s Eurosceptic turn since 2014 under Mr Orban, a self-proclaimed “illiberal” leader, has alarmed Europe’s mainstream politicians and highlighted the EU’s limited options for policing democratic standards among its member states.

The European Commission on Wednesday published a four-page rebuttal to Budapest’s multimillion-euro information campaign, saying the consultation contained six claims that were “factually incorrect or highly misleading”.

“Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts,” Frans Timmermans, commission vice-president told Mr Orban.

Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament’s chief Brexit negotiator, said Mr Orban had turned his back on democratic principles.

“You signed up to the values of the Union. You have violated every single one of them. And yet you want Hungary to remain a member of the European Union,” Mr Verhofstadt said. “You want to keep the EU funds, but you don’t want our values.”

The Hungarian prime minister was in Brussels to defend his government in a debate in the European Parliament.

His visit came as Brussels began legal proceedings against Hungary’s government over newly adopted university regulations, seen as an attack on the independent Central European University in Budapest.

The EU apparatchiks are going too far again. I really hope this serves as a wake up call to France and other EU sceptics.

[Berengil]

Cybran, for once, we are in agreement. The EU's "values" erode national sovereignty. If Brussels wants to push Hungary out of the EU and into the Russian-led Eurasian Economic Union, this is the way to do it.

[Sandraudiga]

So wait, Hungary needs to accept EU values but islamic economic migrants don't?

[Pucek]

So wait, Hungary needs to accept EU values but islamic economic migrants don't?

No way, that would be double standards! oh wait.... /s

[Zoibert the Bear]

So wait, Hungary needs to accept EU values but islamic economic migrants don't?

Of course.

Hungary is a poor country full of barbaric people, they need to be converted to western society through any means. Islamic migrants on the other hand, are highly educated people moving due to terrible, terrible things happening in their countries of origin. An amazing group of peace loving, tolerant individuals that seek help and are willing to share their civilization as a means to improve ours.

I think the difference is obvious.

[Deleted]

That's a very one sided and biased article...
Yes, in the debate he took big hits but in my opinion in his closing speech he mop the floor with Verhostadt and the others.
Ha answered the citation in the title too.

I'm way too lazy to copy the speech, skip to 1:31:00 if anyone is interested

[Elim Garak]

The only thing Brussels is good for is sprouts but even that is a controversial thing.

[Aggrophobic]

So wait, Hungary needs to accept EU values but islamic economic migrants don't?

Who said that? You follow the rules, no matter who you are.
If you don't, you're free to leave.

[Azadina]

So wait, Hungary needs to accept EU values but islamic economic migrants don't?

Care to provide the exemptions in all the EU countries codes of law, that Islamic refugees have?

There's none that I know of, but since you seem to know of some illuminati alterations of the legal code, surely you can provide the proof?

[Deleted]

Who said that? You follow the rules, no matter who you are.
If you don't, you're free to leave.

The problem starts when they do follow the rules, like Schengen and DublinIII, but they are vilified for it by those who don't.

When you bash those who openly criticize and want to reform an absurd and idiotic system and pet those who act like a well trained dog but then do the same thing (see: after 2 years still only 10% of the relocation quota is done, meanwhile more people arrive MONTHLY than what we should resettle and still no one bash the other 27 nation why they don't fulfil their dutyt)

[kamuimac]

Of course.

Hungary is a poor country full of barbaric people, they need to be converted to western society through any means. Islamic migrants on the other hand, are highly educated people moving due to terrible, terrible things happening in their countries of origin. An amazing group of peace loving, tolerant individuals that seek help and are willing to share their civilization as a means to improve ours.

I think the difference is obvious.

you forgot to add in this description of those ambitious educated people that those who migrated are mostly doctors/architecs/engineers etc etc for whom western civilisation is model of best culture there is

only this stubborn hungary and poland seem to not see all the positive values and amazing cultural enrichemtns they bring into eu and which signs we see on daily basis in news . but dont worrly slowly but steadily they will convert too and see all the positives

[Shadowmelded]

They're right.

[Deleted]

So wait, Hungary needs to accept EU values but islamic economic migrants don't?

Haha . Touché.

[Zoibert the Bear]

you forgot to add in this description of those ambitious educated people that those who migrated are mostly doctors/architecs/engineers etc etc for whom western civilisation is model of best culture there is

only this stubborn hungary and poland seem to not see all the positive values and amazing cultural enrichemtns they bring into eu and which signs we see on daily basis in news . but dont worrly slowly but steadily they will convert too and see all the positives

Oh how right you are. I can't begin to express how naïve countries like Hungary are being, they need to start embracing change, Islamization is actually a step in the right direction. These people invented coffee and universities for the love of Allah!

May peace be with you all.

[Ravenblade]

I have listened to Verhofstadt's speech and he didn't disappoint me.

[Deleted]

And the EU is correct.

The EU is funding the Central European University and the Hungarian Government is trying to twist it to its purpose because the uni is not bowing down to Orban. It is one of the world leading Universities with no Hungarian Uni even comming close to approcahing it.

[Deleted]

I have listened to Verhofstadt's speech and he didn't disappoint me.

Hehe... if you like this much getting informed by one sided biased liar mental patients then you should watch the speech of the italian Pittella, he makes a million times better performance than Verhofstadt

He starts speaking at 34:00 in the video i linked above

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And the EU is correct.

The EU is funding the Central European University and the Hungarian Government is trying to twist it to its purpose because the uni is not bowing down to Orban. It is one of the world leading Universities with no Hungarian Uni even comming close to approcahing it.

You can't be this dumb... you look at the name of the university and conjure up fake facts?
It's funded by György Soros and the tuition fee they collect, the EU has nothing to do with it
And no Hungarian Uni can come close to it, because they are not allowed to hand out USA accredited diplomas. Meanwhile the CEU doesn't even have a campus in the USA, they used a backdoor in the Hungarian law witch allowed them to rent a building with a secretary in the USA. Oh, and by the way they wouldn't be allowed to open an Uni with the same conditions in Germany, France, Austria etc.... that's what Orban is fixing

[Deleted]

Hehe... if you like this much getting informed by one sided biased liar mental patients then you should watch the speech of the italian Pittella, he makes a million times better performance than Verhofstadt

He starts speaking at 34:00 in the video i linked above

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You can't be this dumb... you look at the name of the university and conjure up fake facts?
It's funded by György Soros and the tuition fee they collect, the EU has nothing to do with it

Throwing insults around, is that the best counter arguement you can come up with?

My point still stands that the CEU is one of the worlds leading Universities with no Hungarian Universitiy even getting close to in rankings. Also the EU does fund Universities. It also funds research projects at universities.

[Darkeon]

The only thing Brussels is good for is sprouts but even that is a controversial thing.

It's only the middle of the day, but I doubt I'll find a comment that I'll enjoy more, during the rest of the day. So you win it, good sir, you win my Internet for the day.

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On topic to not leave it blank: I agree with the EU, there is standard of values that one should, at least, respect.
If only this issue wasn't so dire in some situations, such as this, and so negligible on others.

[Jingoism]

jej, they should keep the money. The EU wont need it anymore after the break up.