Man claims he Killed wife in self defence after domestic abuse

[chazus]

Doesn't mean he should kill her. He had ample opportunity to leave. 10 years +

While it doesn't mean he SHOULD kill her, it may have panned out that way. You weren't there, you don't know if he had 'ample opportunity'

Again, you're also lumping the massive number of people who are in abusive relationships for decades and simply belittling them for 'why don't you leave?'

[A dot Ham]

Honestly, an innocent person (or at least normal person) might be MORE likely to do something weird or crazy, unable to cope with such an event. Someone who is damaged or outright deranged would probably manage it better, like just burying the body in the forest, or burning it, and not shed a tear.

I don't think we have enough details here to really draw out the husband's mindset.

Typically hiding something suggests shame or guilt. A person who acted in self defense wouldn't need that.

However the level of care used to preserve the body doesn't suggest outright psyhcopath either, nor does it rule it out.

[GrinningMan]

Proof that fear is a powerful motivator. No one here understands what a person will do to keep themselves safe, because they've never been taken out of their comfort zone.

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I don't think we have enough details here to really draw out the husband's mindset.

Typically hiding something suggests shame or guilt. A person who acted in self defense wouldn't need that.

However the level of care used to preserve the body doesn't suggest outright psyhcopath either, nor does it rule it out.

Of course he'd feel guilty of it, of course he'd be ashamed. He -took a life-. Even people trained to do it end up severely fucked up by the situation.

[chazus]

I don't think we have enough details here to really draw out the husband's mindset.

Typically hiding something suggests shame or guilt. A person who acted in self defense wouldn't need that.

However the level of care used to preserve the body doesn't suggest outright psyhcopath either, nor does it rule it out.

Yeah. It could easily be either way. A normal person panicking and unable to cope, or a damage person simply doing their thing. Sad either way.

Truthfully, there's almost no REAL info, besides the sensational part. We don't know the relationship beforehand besides a handful of vague words (Domestic abuse) nor do we know why he did that or the mentality behind it.

[Tennis]

While it doesn't mean he SHOULD kill her, it may have panned out that way. You weren't there, you don't know if he had 'ample opportunity'

Again, you're also lumping the massive number of people who are in abusive relationships for decades and simply belittling them for 'why don't you leave?'

I'm not belittling them. I'm asking a question to people who automatically assume that the suspect is innocent.

[chazus]

I'm not belittling them. I'm asking a question to people who automatically assume that the suspect is innocent.

It has nothing to do with innocence or not. Sometimes people don't have the ability to just up and leave.

It's like asking an addict why they don't just quit, as if it's super easy. Asking an abuse victim why they don't just leave is... kind of cruel and insensitive.

[Deleted]

I'm not belittling them. I'm asking a question to people who automatically assume that the suspect is innocent.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Do you not have that in Canada?

[GrinningMan]

I'm not belittling them. I'm asking a question to people who automatically assume that the suspect is innocent.

Guilty until proven innocent? Hmmm, something feels off, but I can't put my 'non-phallic instrument of indication and intent of drawing attention' on it.

[minteK917]

His defense wont hold considering the cause of death. Its kinda hard to defend yourself with strangling someone half your weight.

[A dot Ham]

Of course he'd feel guilty of it, of course he'd be ashamed. He -took a life-. Even people trained to do it end up severely fucked up by the situation.

Yes but as part of the coping process a person will rationalize the self defense and be able to cope with it. In that case, the body literally underneath your feet would be a constant reminder and an innocent person would likely (eventually) confess, or tell someone about the events.

A psychopath or sociopath would feel nothing at all. Which is what 1%? 10%? (i guess i could google it)... I think its 1% though, of people. So no, not everyone would feel guilt or shame.

[Radaney]

How do you strangle someone to death out of self-defense and then bury them in the garden?

If you're dominating someone enough to successfully strangle them to death you are in a very good position to stop before they die.

He will be found guilty of murder.

[DesMephisto]

So you think what he did is acceptable? Why didn't he go to a shelter?

"Cops, my wife is abusing me" "LOLOLOLOLOOL"

Every case ever of male domestic abuse.

[alexw]

What about it is suspicious? Please dont tell me the "hiding the body" thing is what irks you still.

1. He strangled her - that means hands around the neck (the article makes no mention of a choke hold or similar) and if someone is flailing at you with a knife that isn't going to happen. If he disarmed her prior to strangling her then its murder as she would nolonger be a threat.
2. If you strangle someone to death they go unconscious from lack of oxygen first. At that point she would nolonger be a threat so again murder.
3. Buried her body in cement in a rubbermaid container which suggests premeditation or at least the operation of a rational mind, which is highly suspicious for what is supposed to be a crime of passion.
4. Never confessed to it. Again if it was self-defense you'd think he'd have confessed.
5. No mention of circumstantial evidence suggesting spousal abuse - corroborating witnesses, family, friends, others who might have seen bruises or whom he'd confided in.

All in all looks like he's full of it and lying.

[Zethras]

Innocent until proven guilty.

Do you not have that in Canada?

We absolutely do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectio...sumed_innocent

Tennisface just feigns moral outrage to satisfy his/her chronic narcissism.

[Tennis]

Innocent until proven guilty.

Do you not have that in Canada?

Uh dude. He hid the body. He didn't call the cops. You think innocent people do that?

[DesMephisto]

Yeah, basically my thoughts. He buried her and at no point came forward or tried to fix it. On top of that, while it is plausible that he might have strangled her to death in self-defense, in conjunction with the other circumstances, it seems a bit suspect given that strangulation would generally render the person no longer a threat before killing them. Reading some of the other articles, the prosecution apparently thinks he killed her for infidelity, which would fit with the behavior a lot better.

Fear will make you kill the person rather than incapacitate. 10 decades worth of abuse, you might not be thinking clearly when you finally snap and can't take it anymore.

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Uh dude. He hid the body. He didn't call the cops. You think innocent people do that?

How many people think clearly in traumatic moments?

[Tennis]

It has nothing to do with innocence or not. Sometimes people don't have the ability to just up and leave.

It's like asking an addict why they don't just quit, as if it's super easy. Asking an abuse victim why they don't just leave is... kind of cruel and insensitive.

I'm not asking an abuse victim. I'm asking a poster on here why he is defending someone who killed his wife, hid the body and didn't notify the authorities.

Innocent people hide bodies now?

[Runenwächter]

The argument that death by strangulation takes considerably more time than simply rendering the victim unconcious makes sense. How much longer are we talking here though? As far as I know we are talking single digit seconds between unconciousness and potential lethality here. If you got a raging harpy with a knife going at you and are in a state of pure panic that doesnt seem like what any person, least someone themselves involved, would recognise as excessive force.
There still is strong ground for a defense here.

Honestly hiding the body after the struggle occured does not seem the least indicative or an admission of guilt to me. It is just a colossal fuckup.

[Polyxo]

Self defense is an affirmative defense. In New York state, at least (not sure how it works in Canada), it requires one to provide convincing positive proof of a scenario in which one is not culpable for the crime that they are charged with. You can not rely on a 'reasonable doubt' if you are utilizing an affirmative defense like self defense (at least not here). So, without some sort of physical evidence and documentation or reports of the abuse, the defendent is out of luck, as he should be.

[Deleted]

Uh dude. He hid the body. He didn't call the cops. You think innocent people do that?

That is up to a court to decide, not you.