Pope Francis: Europe migrant centres 'concentration camps'

[Cerilis]

Damn it's like he's following the real teachings of our boi Jesus! Big ups to the Pope!

I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't say to punch people who say bad things about your mother though ^^"

[Dug]

I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't say to punch people who say bad things about your mother though ^^"

Not sure what this is in reference to

[Cerilis]

Not sure what this is in reference to

Delivering!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...h-9980192.html

[Dug]

Delivering!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...h-9980192.html

Shiet and here I was praising the Big P. Either way I'm just poking fun at the religious types that hold his word as gospel until it's something they don't want to hear is all

[Khadgar]

test 123

[Halicia]

Pretty self-evident statement that lacks hyperbole.

Camps concentrating people deemed undesirable by the government are termed "concentration camps". Surprise surprise ?

[boccko]

The "invasion" is a symptom of a much greater problem which we assisted to create. We profited a lot through weapon sales and creating 'controlled instability' even if we didn't outright participate, we benefited off cheap deals that were based on exploitation and downright slavery, we adulated tyrants and when they were considered a risk we made sure that he's not alone in his suffering but his formerly oppressed people too. We did a lot that helped us economy-wise and our interests rooted in realpolitik but not otherwise. Was it civilized? Maybe, from our perspective, yes, but that's like a painter critiquing his own works.

This is the only kind of reply to my points that is at least semi-valid. If I understand you correctly, you agree that what is happening now will drastically change Europe's culture in a very backwards fashion, but you think that 'we' deserve it (you poor people have been guilt-tripped for so long...). I disagree with that on the grounds the we were not solely responsible for the state Africa and the middle east is in now. While we exploited them, we provided them with technology they were not prepared to handle (some of it in good faith, like vaccinations), and as a result, they took their part in destroying their own environment. (Surprisingly, their - also our - religion makes no mention of how we should treat or natural environment, because our survival kindof depends on it.)

So, yes, we should stop exploiting them and help them move towards sustainable societies (if that is at all possible, I mean from the outside), but in place. I like Europe how it is, more or less.

[PosPosPos]

I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't say to punch people who say bad things about your mother though ^^"

He didn't say not to either, last I checked.

[Ravenblade]

This is the only kind of reply to my points that is at least semi-valid. If I understand you correctly, you agree that what is happening now will drastically change Europe's culture in a very backwards fashion, but you think that 'we' deserve it (you poor people have been guilt-tripped for so long...). I disagree with that on the grounds the we were not solely responsible for the state Africa and the middle east is in now. While we exploited them, we provided them with technology they were not prepared to handle (some of it in good faith, like vaccinations), and as a result, they took their part in destroying their own environment. (Surprisingly, their - also our - religion makes no mention of how we should treat or natural environment, because our survival kindof depends on it.)

So, yes, we should stop exploiting them and help them move towards sustainable societies (if that is at all possible, I mean from the outside), but in place. I like Europe how it is, more or less.

I think you are mixing up admitting guilt with accepting responsibility. This is not about getting absolution for some guilt but about upholding one of the principal pillars of Western philosophical tradition to question things and to question your own. This is why we can stomach criticism somewhat easier even though the Trump era has made a lot people more thin-skinned and unlearning to learn the difference between guilt and responsibility. Both are interpreted synonymously even though it is wrong to do so. So it is not about us 'deserving' things but rather having the will to face the reality that this is the result "dumb libtard scientists" have actually warned about for two decades now: continuous wars, poverty, famine and climate change will eventually start another Migration Period.
This is happening now and even though it would be fun for some to do so, calling them "welfare tourists", or worse yet: "subhumans" as some of my own people sadly do, is little helpful, it would be like selling some accelerant to some group which wants to set other people's houses aflame and then mocking the inhabitants as they flee their houses begging for shelter and telling them to go back to their houses, fight the group who burned their houses and rebuild them instead. We have exploited their internal strive since a long time and if we hadn't assisted them things wouldn't have escalated as much as they did. Now I at least realize it's a futile cause to discuss issues where the participants are long gone and which begun centuries or just a century ago (depending on where you start) but unfortunately we didn't stop and we still continue to assist their wars through deals but rarely assisted them in peace-making because peace doesn't make profits and after all every weapon will eventually find its war. We need to change things from where we are now not where we were in the past and we need to begin by addressing the causes not the symptoms more harshly.

Now I also want to make clear I don't think our culture sits like a vestal virgin on a pedestal and everyone touching it should be condemned to death. The German culture alone is heavily influenced by Latin, French, Slavic and Jewish contributions and has transformed into what we have today. Still a lot people don't actually see "the culture" but rather refer to an accustomed feeling of familiarity and mix it up with culture. I personally stand with our culture and I don't think it's going to suffer anytime soon despite what people say. Contrary to belief the most transformative force these days isn't a few stranger from far abroad but ourselves, the different zeitgeist, technology with its new (socio-)economical, scientific and economical patterns. I have grown up in what was called DDR at that time and I have seen many changes and all of them are the results of our own history of how we treat our own people. During DDR times people were a lot more social here and these days only remnant of that remains, whom should I blame? The old grandpa over the street blames refugees, he blamed gypsies (synonymous word for East-European) and whoever was chancellor at that time ten years ago. Why not look at the obvious reasons? That would be too easy because that would mean we would accept some responsibility (again: NOT guilt) and that's impossible when you are infallible and were never wrong. I accept responsibility by supporting the wrong people at times, do I feel guilty? No, because that would not be very constructive and cause some reflective emotional reaction. We need building blocks, not handkerchiefs.

[Deleted]

Anyone thinking that Jesus would not be the most left-wing economic and social liberal around is fooling themselves, or has never actually read the New Testament. Dude would be a hardcore socialist to the extreme.

Exactly. The whole neoliberalistic agenda is rooted in Calvinism, which is a pseudo-christian doctrine and has more to do with a radical turn on the Gnostic idea of all worldly, physical things being evil. In Calvinism, people who have material success and wealth are blessed by God, so you work hard to get wealthy. But the true Christian idea has nothing to do with riches. So, Americals are quite spoilt in that area. Ah well, the country was indoctrinated by lunatics anyway. All the religious sects which could not get hold in Europe, went to the USA.

(I know, you have plenty of rational, sensible people there. I am just exaggerating.)

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Not my opinion but seemed rather fitting in this context

This is why we should have blasphemy laws. Watching/sharing dubs should'nt be allowed.