Is Legion the MOST Alt-Friendly Expansion Yet?

[Jaylock]

You really, REALLY, need all the best in slot legendary and every trait unlocked to raid heroic in Legion? You can have an alt ready to raid heroic in a week, let's be honest.
Different thing is mythic of course, but the catch up with world quest/crafted legendary is definitely big.

Even mythic you dont NEED bis legendary items. You might lose 30-40k in dps vs someone else who has it, but who gives a fuck if its your alt? Thats why they are called ALT raids.

[Metallourlante]

He didn't say heroic in Legion. I'm pretty sure he's referring to the highest raid difficulty in MoP, which was heroic(now renamed mythic)

Yeah, my bad. when he wrote heroic/mythic my brain didn't remember that mythic was introduced in WoD.

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Even mythic you dont NEED bis legendary items. You might lose 30-40k in dps vs someone else who has it, but who gives a fuck if its your alt? Thats why they are called ALT raids.

That's also true.

[Shinzou]

How so?

Cataclysm took forever to level to 85, and for every alt, you had to gear up through heroic dungeons, then crafted gear, then entry raids. Legion you can be at least heroic Nighthold ready in 1 day on any alt after hitting 110.

It did not take long to hit 85. I leveled two wargens from 1 to running heroics in less than two weeks when cata launched. My first was server first wargen, but too bad they had removed those achievements by that point.

[Jester Joe]

Takes about a week after hitting 110 and often less time than that if you are doing your mission quests one right after another. And all it is, is a time wait mechanic. Its not hard to do at all.

Never said hard, it's time consuming. Which is alt unfriendly.

You can grind for a few hours and have full 850+ gear from farming sentinax and doing invasions and broken shore daily quests, and a few more hours for full 880+ gear. Also, gear was never supposed to be instantly given to you once you hit 110. Should take some time to gear up a new alt, but now its easier than ever. Still a 1 day timesink.

850 gear is ready for Emerald Nightmare, not Nighthold.
And one invasion doesn't even give enough to get 880 tokens, it gives roughly half the required amount.

Irrelevant. You can farm nethershards to get relics too. Plus relics give you additional traits for your weapon, so its a double + being that it improves the raw power of your weapon through ilvl, and gives you more power with additional traits.

Very relevant, since as pointed out, nethershards are not as easy to come by as you make them sound. Especially when you cannot target a specific type to get, and can indeed keep rolling the same exact slot.

Do you even use the profession recipes from the ones that are gated behind reps? The only one I can think of is the Nightfallen rep has a few recipes, but everything else can be done through your leveling of your profession and the quests that go along with it. Every expansion has had recipes gated behind reps as well. Also, professions are MUCH more interesting this expansion than any other expansion. They actually gave us quest lines to unlock the power of the profession fully. Way better than, "herpa derp oh i just click a button on a trainer and learn everything." Thats just fucking boring.

Nightfallen is the worst rep to get to revered, so it's not like that's proving a point. But Wardens also has some recipes, along with every other rep (Usually the Rank 2 ones I'm pretty sure, which is required to get to rank 3).

Oh you mean the order hall resources that you get from naturally playing your character? Okay.

Still an additional grind that wasn't needed from Cataclysm. Remember, your claim was that it was the MOST alt friendly expansion, I'm just debating that Cata was moreso.

All irrelevant. You must be one of those guys who thinks you have to have everything on every character all at the same time without putting any effort into it. Get lost.

Ad hominid.

[Spazlord]

My brand new monk alt that is 880 with about 8 hours played at 110 agrees with this thread. It's super easy to get up and running. My class hall quest was finished the day after I dinged, having worked through while I was levelling.

Even before 7.2 it was pretty alt friendly, my alts haven't struggled. I have 3 toons about 900 ilvl, nightfallen exalted on 3 toons, balance of power on 2 toons, PVP prestige 1 on 4 toons. I just chip away at things and they happen without too much fuss.

[antelope591]

You really, REALLY, need all the best in slot legendary and every trait unlocked to raid heroic in Legion? You can have an alt ready to raid heroic in a week, let's be honest.
Different thing is mythic of course, but the catch up with world quest/crafted legendary is definitely big.

I put heroic because there was no mythic then, just 25/10 heroic. I meant top level raiding in any case.

[Relapses]

Even with the catch-up mechanisms, you still have to do a lot more repetitive quest grinding than you did in any other expansion. Flying helps a bit but isn't a game changer. (For example, I never bothered to get flying in WoD because I didn't have to. I got it this expansion because it's almost forced down your throat.) For me personally, I fucking hated most of the questing the first time I did it and my distaste for this type of content is the main reason I haven't rolled an alt.

WoD and MoP felt more "alt-friendly" because the main thing you had to worry about was the Legendary questline. Now we have Legendary RNG, time gates, Suramar quest lines, BoP quest lines, Order Hall campaigns and a litany of other bullshit you never had to worry about before. I get some people like this type of content but it just isn't my cup of tea.

[Teri]

So, they tried making the Class order hall set upgradeable to 870... yet it's still extremely rare to see a WQ for a token as it can share rewards with gold or AP...

Might be useful for a new 110, but still should have had a seperate system instead of RNG world quests.

The 2 and 4 piece are really useful for new alts out in the open world, yet at this rate it would take like over a month to get 4 pieces upgraded it seems.

No I don't call for an almost free full 870 set, I would rather have it be like 10000 order resources at Legionfall Friendly or whatever since they greatly increased the rate you get them if you use follower items/loot chests/rares/legionfall turn-ins.

I got 3 characters at Legionfall Exalted (no "chest farming"), and only seen 1 warlock and 2 pala tokens.

Now I know you can get Crafted gear with perfect stats and upgrade it to 875. Or random 880 from Obliterating 8 pieces of other pvp gear, or 5000 nethershard. Or fish for warforge/titanforge upgrades in dungeons/quests :P

Leaving raids out of the equation here, talking about casual alts here, not secondary or tertiary "mains" here that are 910+.

[emilylorange]

Idk maybe it's 'easy' but it's sure as hell boring and time consuming.

So 'friendly'?...... nah. Just another grind on top of existing grinds for your main.

[Salty Maud]

Pretty decent for casual alts yeah, getting some 40 points takes relatively little effort if you start with 25(26) AK, there are plenty of welfare epics to be had, 3 first legos come in the first month or so. It's not hard to get a casual alt to playable condition but getting a secondary main in a good condition takes forever and a half, mostly thanks to the terrible odds of getting your two good legos as your first 3. AP is a nonissue currently, might be a bit steep in a few months when your main already has points in concordance though.

The patch day was the best moment to start new characters in legion IMO, the 26th AK nullified practically all the headstart your main had on AP.

Not that different from previous expansions really, in the past 2 expansions you had your legendary you had to build up, AP is pretty much that ATM when it comes to alts. Getting your missing x% of performance from the legendary lottery is what makes rolling new characters or even respeccing slow now.

[nekobaka]

In my opinion for MoP until heavy grind nerfs and catch ups was introduced then MoP was grindier than early WotLK and unlike WotLK and early Cata you had to do raid content in order to get tier gear. Cata was less grindy in both leveling and endgame than WotLK.

For Legion I would say to get organized raid ready then it is not as alt friendly as MoP. If one wants to just get their alt leveled and get with the flow of the non-raid endgame then I would put it with MoP. If one wanted to be on par with a main that is taken semi seriously then the game is far less alt friendly than WotLK.

[ComputerNerd]

In terms of catchups, AK is far better a progression speedup than WoD had on its legendary ring.

[ablib]

LOL. I knew this was a Jaylock thread before I even clicked on it.

The moderators here are amazing *sarcasm*.

[Kynario]

Technically, you can do the entire class campaign in an evening since 7.2. All the follower quests were reduced to an hour or less.

Ah, ok. Didn't know that.

[Tradu]

Even mythic you dont NEED bis legendary items. You might lose 30-40k in dps vs someone else who has it, but who gives a fuck if its your alt? Thats why they are called ALT raids.

You might not care, but there's plenty of people whose enjoyment comes from pushing their class to the maximum, which legendaries arbitrarily prevent you from doing just because you were unlucky.

[danieltang34]

Well it depends what you want to do with your alt, i would say its the most alt unfriendly expansion ever because of all the time gates.
I do agree that alts can get to a "reasonable level" very quickly (890ish),
but it takes months to actually catch up with mains because of various time gates, like AK level, AP, titanforges, weekly chests, legendaries etc.
In the past, it was slightly harder to obtain high level gears but there were no time gates except instance lockouts if you had time, in which case i could easily swap my "main" in just a couple weeks without too much effort.

[Deleted]

As almost all my alts really have 880-890 gear and I mostly do one M+ per week with them....yes, it is extremely alt friendly.

You might think it's not alt freindly because you need to much time afk'ing in Dalaran :S

[Gsara]

I grinded out my lock last week in less than a day. With the changes I had my 3rd relic that night and even got the legendary belt that day. Now Im 895 equiped with 2 legendaries and 4p tier. It doesnt take much at all to get an alt up and going now.

[Tradu]

As almost all my alts really have 880-890 gear and I mostly do one M+ per week with them....yes, it is extremely alt friendly.

You might think it's not alt freindly because you need to much time afk'ing in Dalaran :S

It's reasonably alt friendly(ignoring legendaries/AP, cos those suck on mains too) once you get the alt set up. So after you've done class campaigns, artifact quests/empowerments, Suramar, Balance of Power etc. Not that the setup is hard, it's just time consuming and boring.

[Deleted]

knew it was a jaytroll thread before I clicked, sad

Yeah I did so too