Legion feels like an Alliance expansion

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Yeah it totally felt like an Alliance expansion when Sylvanas became the warchief or when half the Stormheim story focussed on Sylvanas trying to enslave the Val'kyr.

Half of Stormheim? Lol.
That questchain took like 30 min max.

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Play a mage.
Don't like mage lore.

Dalaran is build because of the destruction of the Trolls and the result from that.
And if you think that Dalaran is the most important place for all Mages then your wrong.

Maybe for Alliance Mages it is but not for those in the Horde.

[Pony Soldier]

To be honest it's pretty refreshing seeing the Alliance in the spotlight this time. I was getting sick of the Horde being the important faction all the time and I mainly play Horde. Gives me a reason to main an alliance character for once. It also feels cool to play an alliance character this time around because it makes for a more immersive experience especially if you are a human, dwarf, or night elf.

[ravenmoon]

Was about time after 3 horde centric expansions. You have 0 rights to complain.

Lol...3? The story has been Horde primary from TBC in an unbroken chain, even WotLK had more ORc, BElf, Forsaken action than alliance action which was almost entirely human. and yes 3 expansions have been clearly horde centric, however Horde havee majored and being limelight and spotlilght since the very first expansion.... until now. This is the first time the night elves and the alliance themed races have been focused, and at that it is only the night elven lot (night elf, highborne, nightborne) in the 3 zones. They didn't make Broken shore about the night elves despite it's night elf zone and setting. Stormheim they gave to the Vrykul and warriors, and some would view Val'sharah as the Dremaers, but hey, yes night elf and humans.

Still, Sylvannas and Genn get equal limelight, and you can view the highmountain as horde. However technically speaking none of the broken isles is either horde or alliance. Malfurion in Val'sharah is druid and dreamer, Tyrande is just a wife then high priestess of Elune, none of that has anything to do with the alliance.

7.1 had blood elves and night elves share equal roles in the Suramar assault, the night elves and nightborne of the Broken isles are not alliance, they are night elf related people that have nothing to do with the alliance. You did not see any night elf hold alliance balance in Suramar or Azsuana ( you saw Kaldorei/Shal'dorei banners (they are the same btw), and in Val'sharah it was druids.

Why do people get so upset if one side has a bit of more focus in an expansion. It's still a WoW Game.

Heck do people also cry over certain characters getting more screentime in Game of Thrones?

it's so funnoy that, isn't it

[DJ117]

We definitely need an orc expansion or with orcs in focus. The Horde has not had any expansion for years. Spot the irony.

Cataclysm: Green Jesus
MoP: Big Bad Garrosh.
WoD: plz

[Deleted]

We definitely need an orc expansion or with orcs in focus. The Horde has not had any expansion for years. Spot the irony.

Cataclysm: Green Jesus
MoP: Big Bad Garrosh.
WoD: plz

MoP: Varian + Anduin + raiding the enemy city
WoD: Dreanei + killing all the Orcs
Legion: well there is no Horde so pretty done with the discussion.

Also green Jezus is a little guy if you look at the attention your human Khadgar gets over the exp packs.

[TheFirstOnes]

Legion is not an Alliance expac...

Nor is it a Horde expac...

Legion is a LEGION Expac.

It's in the fucking name.

[Zoreyai]

Isn't it about time? The last two were practically Horde circle jerks

[Valnoressa]

Doesn't feel very factional at all to me. Feels very class order focused, which it should because that was the intent.

[Khirok]

I have to admit to feeling a sense of Schadenfreude at seeing the Horde players be the ones getting bitter about a lack of story development.

[Myta]

Horde: Gets 2 cut scenes a ton of lore content, flat out the best racials with Alliance racials nerfed if they even come close to being desireable to raiders/pvpers, massive favoritism from the entire dev team playing horde and shouting "For the Horde!" at Blizzcon to prove a point.


Alliance: Gets the same amount of cut scenes Horde does... Forums go into nuclear fucking meltdown and people are demand Ion be fucking fired for giving the same story content that Horde got.

I'm genuinely curious, why are Horde players consistently the worst people who play this game?

[Vynestra]

Because we hadn't just had an expansion focused on Orcs or the Horde or anything?

Because we hadn't just had 14 months of a tier focused on orcs and an entire expansion focused on orcs or anything?

About damn time we have a more alliance central one.

BRING ON GODUIN WRYNN

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Horde: Gets 2 cut scenes a ton of lore content, flat out the best racials with Alliance racials nerfed if they even come close to being desireable to raiders/pvpers, massive favoritism from the entire dev team playing horde and shouting "For the Horde!" at Blizzcon to prove a point.


Alliance: Gets the same amount of cut scenes Horde does... Forums go into nuclear fucking meltdown and people are demand Ion be fucking fired for giving the same story content that Horde got.

I'm genuinely curious, why are Horde players consistently the worst people who play this game?

^ thissssssssssss

[Deleted]

I knew people would post this crap when there was an alliance cinematic.

Just wait till the end of the xpac before you make these claims. It is OBVIOUS that there will be Sylvanas developments in Argus because Alleria is there.

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MoP: Varian + Anduin + raiding the enemy city
WoD: Dreanei + killing all the Orcs
Legion: well there is no Horde so pretty done with the discussion.

Also green Jezus is a little guy if you look at the attention your human Khadgar gets over the exp packs.

I'm ok with making Khadgar part of the alliance. Let's do that! You can get the corpse of Gul'dan, i don't mind.

Seriously... beeing racist in a game isn't cool either. Khadgar is neutral. If not for him, you wouldn't even set foot in Dalaran nor would get your artifact upgraded. Show some apreciation.

[Pull My Finger]

Doesn't matter, we had 3 Horde expansions in a row prior to this.

[-Joker-]

Outland: Primarily Orcs and Blood Elves
Wrath: non-Alliance races and Argent Tourney included both
Cata: Horde expac with Thrall leading the way
MoP: Horde Expac with Garrosh being the main story
WoD: Primarily orc planet once again

Look at how many dungeons have Horde races in them... and then how many are Alliance centered. Oh, and just in case any Horde complainers have forgotten:



That's not a statue of Varian Wrynn outside of BLIZZ HQ

[Cyram]

Cata was all about Thrall being jesus.

Mist was all about Garrosh and us chasing him down.

Then he gets away at the trial and we chase him again...WoD. And the main cutscene story from that is Thrall fighting his dumb ass.

So much alliance storylines in those expansions /s.

Not even close.

Those expansions focused more on horde than alliance. We are using the same logic OP is using to call Legion a Alliance expansion.

So Cata didn't have the reunion of the Night Elves with the Highborne? Also the Firelands and the Well of Eternity dungeon had Malfurion in it (also Tyrande).
Mists didn't develop Anduin one bit, it was all about Garrosh? The kid didn't get any dialogue, it was one Garrosh monologue after another.
Warlords of Draenor was the aftermath of Mists of Pandaria, which dealt with an Orc, yes. By that logic then WOTLK was Alliance Centric because we fought the freaking Fresh Prince of Lordaeron?
Now here's the thing in Legion: We see Tyrande being developed and having somewhat of a spotlight. We have Maiev Shadowsong being prominent (finally!), we have Manduin getting some love, even fucking Magni woke up so a Dwarf from Ironforge got the spotlight.
Let's not forget all the Alliance-washing part of class identity (Blood Knights and Sunwalkers under the Knights of the Silver Hand, Blood Elven magi fighting for the Tirisgarde and so on).

What did the Horde get?
We got Tyrande sassing us because she lost her man to the Nightmare, and The Dreamweavers (all Night Elves) in Val'Sharah.
We got the Wardens (Night Elves) and Prince Farondis , a (ghost) Night Elven dude and his (sorta) people.
We got a race of Tauren in Highmountain that have absolutely no impact in the Tauren of Thunderbluff.
And we got as much development from Sylvanas as the Alliance got from Genn.

The storytelling in Legion is Alliance centric and the thing that is wrong is the fact that there is no development from characters and races from the Horde.
Night elves got to see the place where their druidism was born, they delved into the Vault of the Wardens - which was a major Night Elven plot part of the story of Tyrande and Maiev. They also got to see part of their people become something else (Farondis, the Nightborne), yet still connect to them in some way.
Even the freaking gnomes got to be hunters!
So, yeah, tell me. What Horde Storyline was pushed in Legion that was as prevalent and consistent as, say, Anduin's development in Pandaria? Or which Legion faction has Horde characters benefiting from its storytelling as, say, The Avenger of Hyjal in Cataclysm or the Council of Exarchs in Draenor?

[Vynny]

Because we hadn't just had an expansion focused on Orcs or the Horde or anything?

Yeah because there was totally no focus on the Alliance in Warlords of Draenor. As in Draenei being a huge focus in the xpac, ya dolt. He's not saying horde needs to be the focus, but that we're not even getting some form of sub plot to at least include us in the overall story.

Vanilla had a huge Alliance bias

BC had a major focus on the Sons of Lothar, Maiev and Illidan, the Draenei and the broken, although those did play second fiddle to what developed into a blood elf centered story.

Wrath was mainly Alliance driven with the characters driving the story being Tirion Fordring, Darion Mograine, Brann Bronzebeard, Muradin Bronzebeard, and Bolvar Fordragon but you still had at least things going on in horde side with the battle for the undercity, Saurfang, and Garrosh getting some story presence. Hell, Sylvanas didn't even get as much story as she justifiably should've gotten seeing as her revenge against Arthas was her whole reason for living.

Cata was horde focused with a lot of development on the horde side in acquiring territories and feeling out the new leadership. Also Thrall is a horde hero, but at least Alliance weren't excluded from major story development. On top of that, you had the reintroduction of the Wildhammer dwarves, Malfurion's involvement with Hyjal and the Firelands along with Staghelm and Alyssra,

MoP did have a slimmer horde bias with development between Garrosh and the rest of the horde, but Anduin had a big screen presence along with the whole story involving the forming of the council of the three hammers and Jaina's story in that xpac. so the Alliance still wasn't left out of the picture when it comes to story development.

WoD (again, Warlords of Draenor) did have a major focus on orc history, but also had a lot of juicy story for the Alliance through the Draenei. Again, even if you say that WoD was more horde slanted, the Alliance weren't left out and given no story development.

Legion is Alliance biased with the only horde development happening at the very beginning with not even a whisper of things like who the next troll racial leader is. Also, I guarantee that you can't guess who the current orc racial leader is according the official sources because there hasn't even been any acknowledgement of their position in any regard. And to top it all off, Baine whose main character development has only happened in books is nowhere to be seen in the Highmountain story to the point where you could argue that the Highmountain tauren have had more story involvement with the Night Elves than the Horde tauren.

The point is that even if expansions have had a bias towards one side or the other, they at least gave the other faction something to sink their teeth into; whereas, in Legion the horde has gotten nothing so far.

P.S.
The horde leadership is in tatters. I'll give you the answer to what I asked earlier about the orc racial leader, it's Varok Saurfang. When was that done? I dunno, but there wasn't even any in game acknowledgement of that as far as I can tell. There's no troll that has enough story presence to step up as leader and they're not putting anyone in the spotlight so far, Baine barely has any screen presence to justify him being the leader of the tauren, and Gallywix just recently got a unique model a patch or two ago. There's so much necessary story that has yet to happen for the horde and all I'm saying is that they should at least pay some attention to that in the shadow of the overarching alliance focused story in Legion.

[Derpleton]

It really sucks that here we are 13 years later and we still have "Horde Expansions" or "Alliance Expansions" why can't Blizzard ever seem to get this right?

[drbatman]

the whole game has been green jebus and orcs, chill mr.horde mon shame vol'jin is dead he'd smoke a big fat joint with ya'll and parrrrrty

[Radaney]

So Suramar questline being far more favorable to horde while the nightborne and moonguard both kissing the ass of the blood elves and being completely unimpressed by the night elves count for nothing? No clue why blizzard didn't bother to include the Highbornes with the alliance envoy there. If anything they have more reason to want to reconnect with other ancient night elven mages then anyone else.

Nice headcanon?

Were you on hardcore drugs or some serious hallucinogens whilst doing the suramar storyline? How did you even get that impression?

The Nightborne showed absolutely no favouritism towards either the Blood Elves or Night Elves at all.

Why just randomly lie? What's the point?

[Sithalos]

And WoD felt like a Horde expansion.

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