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[TheDestinatus]

Ah so someone is inconservative then. Like how Orban describes himself as illiberal.

lol, unconservative?

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Ah so someone is inconservative then. Like how Orban describes himself as illiberal.

Well, the opposite of liberal would be authoritarian.

And the opposite of conservatism would be avantgarde.

[Nitro Fun]

Well, the opposite of liberal would be authoritarian.

And the opposite of conservatism would be avantgarde.

In 4 dimensional spectrum it would be liberalism<->authoritarianism and conservatism<->progressivism. In a 2 dimensional spectrum it's completely legible to say that it's the opposite.

[TheDestinatus]

Well, the opposite of liberal would be authoritarian.

And the opposite of conservatism would be avantgarde.

So is a dictator that enacts changes based on doing whatever he wants a liberal dictator?

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There is nothing in conservatism that requires that you uphold present time values and traditions.

But that is what conservatism is about. Conservatism is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization.

[Nitro Fun]

But that is what conservatism is about. Conservatism is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization.

No, it isn't. While it indeed is a form of conservatism to be resisting change to current society it's not the only one.

[TheDestinatus]

But that is what conservatism is about. Conservatism is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization.

Traditional meaning: following or belonging to the customs or ways of behaving that have continued in a group of people or society for a long time without changing.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...sh/traditional

Chess mate.

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In 4 dimensional spectrum it would be liberalism<->authoritarianism and conservatism<->progressivism. In a 2 dimensional spectrum it's completely legible to say that it's the opposite.

Which is wrong, as progressivism also includes scientific progress, which would collide with a probable tradition or value of science as the main motor of economy.

At the end, it is only political progressivism, avantgarde.

[TheDestinatus]

Yes.

/10char

So basically all dictators are liberals because in reality, they do whatever they want.

[Deleted]

No, it isn't. While it indeed is a form of conservatism to be resisting change to current society it's not the only one.

It's the common definition from encyclopedias as well. I mean, i have sources which do claim exactly that.

Dont try your alterntive facts here, wont you?

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Chess mate.

Not really, as you miss the context of culture and civilzation, which includes the current political system. So if we talk about traditions, its the traditions of the current system.

[Nitro Fun]

It's the common definition from encyclopedias as well. I mean, i have sources which do claim exactly that.

Dont try your alterntive facts here, wont you?

Conservatism (or conservativism) is any political philosophy that favours tradition (in the sense of various religious, cultural, or nationally-defined beliefs and customs) in the face of external forces for change, and is critical of proposals for radical social change. Some Conservatives seek to preserve the status quo or to reform society slowly, while others seek to return to the values of an earlier time.

Classical Conservatism does not reject change per se, but insists that changes be organic, rather than revolutionary, arguing that any attempt to modify the complex web of human interactions that form human society purely for the sake of some doctrine or theory runs the risk of running afoul of the law of unintended consequences and/or of moral hazards. As a general ideology, Conservatism is opposed to the ideals of Liberalism and Socialism.

Conservatism generally refers to right-wing politics which advocate the preservation of personal wealth and private ownership (Capitalism) and emphasize self-reliance and Individualism. Conservatives in general are more punitive toward criminals, tend to hold more orthodox religious views, and are often ethnocentric and hostile toward homosexuals and other minority groups.

Different cultures have different established values and, in consequence, Conservatives in different cultures have differing goals. Many forms of Conservatism incorporate elements of other ideologies and philosophies, and in turn, Conservatism has influence upon them. For example, Nationalism shares many Conservative values (although usually to a more exaggerated degree), and most Conservatives strongly support the sovereign nation and patriotically identify with their own nation (although most Conservatives distrust the xenophobic or racist sentiments that are prominent in some far-right wing groups).

The term "conservatism" is derived from the Latin "conservare" (meaning to "protect" or "preserve") and from the French derivative "conservateur". Its usage in a political sense began to appear only after the French Revolution of 1789, and then only hesitantly, only taking its characteristic political connotation in the 1820s.

History of Conservatism Back to Top
The beginnings of Conservativism are usually traced to the reaction to the events surrounding the French Revolution of 1789, although it can be argued the 16th Century Anglican theologian Richard Hooker (1554 - 1600) was proposing something very similar two centuries earlier.

The Anglo-Irish philosopher Edmund Burke is often considered the father of Conservatism in Anglo-American circles. He argued forcefully against the French Revolution, especially in his "Reflections on the Revolution in France" of 1790, (although he sympathized with some of the aims of the American Revolution of 1776 - 1783), and was troubled in general by the Rationalist turn of the Enlightenment. He argued instead for the value of inherited institutions and customs, including the time-honoured development of the state (built on the wisdom of many generations), piecemeal progress through experience, and the continuation of other important societal institutions such as the family and the Church, rather than what he called "metaphysical abstractions". Burke also claimed that man is unable to understand the many ways in which inherited behaviours influence their thinking, and so trying to judge society objectively is futile.

The old established form of British Conservatism since the late 17th Century was the Tory Party, which generally reflected the attitudes of a rural land-owning class. In the 19th Century, a new coalition of traditional landowners and sympathetic industrialists constituted the new British Conservative Party. Benjamin Disraeli (1804 - 1881) gave the new party a political ideology, advocating a return to an idealised view of a corporate or organic society, in which everyone had duties and responsibilities towards other people or groups ("One Nation" Conservatism). The conversion of the British Conservative Party into a modern mass organization in the 20th Century was accelerated by the concept of "Tory Democracy", attributed to Winston Churchill's son Lord Randolph Churchill (1911 - 1968). In the 1980s, under the leadership of Margaret Thatcher (1925 - 2013)), there was a dramatic shift in the ideological direction of British Conservatism, with a strong movement towards free-market economic policies, although many saw Thatcherism as more consistent with a radical classical Liberalism than classical Conservatism.

In other parts of Europe, mainstream Conservatism is often represented by the Christian Democratic parties, which had their origins largely in Catholic parties of the late 19th and early 20th Century. They generally support market-oriented policies, the European Union and a strong defence, and usually gain support from the business community and white-collar professionals. However, their views on social issues tend to be more liberal than American Conservatives, for example.

Modern American Conservatism was largely born out of alliance between classical Liberals and Social Conservatives in the late 19th and early 20th Century. It comprises a constellation of political ideologies including Fiscal Conservatism, free market or economic Liberalism, Social Conservatism, Libertarianism, Bio-Conservatism and Religious Conservatism, as well as support for a strong military, small government and states' rights. (See the section on Types of Conservatism below for more discussion of some of these terms). It is mainly represented by the U.S. Republican Party, exemplified by Ronald Reagan (1911 - 2004) and George W. Bush (1946 - ), and much of the conservative attitude is focused in the nation's heartland (rural areas with low population density), as contrasted with the more Liberal cities and college towns.

Types of Conservatism Back to Top
Cultural Conservatism is a philosophy that supports preservation of the heritage of a nation or culture (or sometimes of language traditions), usually by the adaptation of norms handed down from the past.

Social Conservatism is a subset of Cultural Conservatism where the norms may also be moral (e.g. opposition to homosexuality, covering of women's faces, etc). In Europe, however, it usually refers to "Liberal" Conservatives, who support modern European welfare states.
Religious Conservatism seeks to preserve the teachings of particular religious ideologies, either by example or by law. Religious Conservatives may promote broad campaigns for a return to traditional values, or they may go the radical route, looking to preserve a belief in its original or pristine form.

Fiscal Conservatism is the economic philosophy of prudence in government spending and debt, arguing that a government does not have the right to run up large debts and then throw the burden on the taxpayer.

Paleo-Conservatism is a moderate to extreme form of Conservatism, popular in the Bible Belt states of the USA, which emphasizes religious heritage, national and Western identity, tradition, civil society, anti-interventionist policies and classical federalism. It specifically opposes illegal immigration, communism, authoritarianism, social democracy and entitlement programs.

Neo-Conservatism is the "new" Conservative movement which emerged in the United States in opposition to the perceived Liberalism of the 1960s. It emphasizes an interventionist foreign policy, free trade and free market economics and a general disapproval of counterculture.

Bio-Conservatism is a stance of hesitancy about technological development, and a skepticism about medical and other biotechnological transformations of the living world (e.g. cloning, genetic engineering), especially if it is perceived to threaten a given social order.

[Kalis]

Traditional meaning: following or belonging to the customs or ways of behaving that have continued in a group of people or society for a long time without changing.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...sh/traditional

Chess mate.

According to rym, five minutes would count as a long time, but six minutes would not.

[Deleted]

Its always a good idea to link a source.

Mine is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

Conservatism is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. By some definitions, Conservatives have variously sought to preserve institutions including religion, monarchy, parliamentary government, property rights and the social hierarchy, emphasizing stability and continuity, while the more extreme elements called reactionaries oppose Modernism and seek a return to "the way things were".[1][2] The first established use of the term in a political context originated with François-René de Chateaubriand in 1818,[3] during the period of Bourbon restoration that sought to roll back the policies of the French Revolution. The term, historically associated with right-wing politics, has since been used to describe a wide range of views.

[TheDestinatus]

It's the common definition from encyclopedias as well. I mean, i have sources which do claim exactly that.

Dont try your alterntive facts here, wont you?

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Not really, as you miss the context of culture and civilzation, which includes the current political system.

Yes really, it has nothing do do with the current anything. Ready for it again?

Following or belonging to the customs or ways of behaving that have continued in a group of people or society for a long time without changing

I mean, it's kind of annoying that I even need to reference dictionaries for things that should be common knowledge. Everyone else seems to understand, your attempt at redefining the term so you can push true conservatives to some fringe extremist point of view is a little bit weird but I guess it takes all types doesn't it.

[Deleted]

According to rym, five minutes would count as a long time, but six minutes would not.

He forgot the context. So "chess mate" just turned into losing his Queen.

Nothing i hope for your home country, as a side note.

[Nitro Fun]

Yes really, it has nothing do do with the current anything. Ready for it again?

Following or belonging to the customs or ways of behaving that have continued in a group of people or society for a long time without changing

I mean, it's kind of annoying that I even need to reference dictionaries for things that should be common knowledge. Everyone else seems to understand, your attempt at redefining the term so you can push true conservatives to some fringe extremist point of view is a little bit weird but I guess it takes all types doesn't it.

He's not a conservative, he's a populist riding the wave.

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Its always a good idea to link a source.

Mine is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

Can you read?

Your own quote says...

Conservatism is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. By some definitions, Conservatives have variously sought to preserve institutions including religion, monarchy, parliamentary government, property rights and the social hierarchy, emphasizing stability and continuity, while the more extreme elements called reactionaries oppose Modernism and seek a return to "the way things were".[1][2] The first established use of the term in a political context originated with François-René de Chateaubriand in 1818,[3] during the period of Bourbon restoration that sought to roll back the policies of the French Revolution. The term, historically associated with right-wing politics, has since been used to describe a wide range of views.

One form of conservatism is to preserve status quo, another is to advocate for slow change instead of a train down a steep hill and another seeks to return to an earlier point in time.

[TheDestinatus]

Its always a good idea to link a source.

Mine is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

Nothing in their supports what your saying, it specifically points out that: Conservatives have variously sought to preserve institutions including religion, monarchy, parliamentary government, property rights and the social hierarchy, emphasizing stability and continuity, while the more extreme elements called reactionaries oppose Modernism

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He's not a conservative, he's a populist riding the wave.

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Can you read?

Your own quote says...

Haha, beat me to it.

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Your own quote says...

Yes, but in the context of the current system. Do i have to quote the "in context of civilization and culture" again?

Is it really that hard for you to understand?

[Nitro Fun]

Yes, but in the context of the current system.

No, that's not what it means.

[TheDestinatus]

Yes, but in the context of the current system. Do i have to quote the "in context of civilization and culture" again?

Is it really that hard for you to understand?

Quote it all you want, it doesnt say "modern civilisation and culture". It has nothing to do what current fads, its in actual fact the complete opposite.