Yrel / AU draenei & Grommash NOT coming back

[Arrashi]

There was a reason we didn't go after Grom, and it wasn't because he helped us fight Archimonde.

You mean everyone present were in under effect of air filled with his pheromones ?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Oh right, he said Draenor is free.

more along the lines the Draenei decided to puss out on the fighting, like they always seem to do.

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You mean everyone present were in under effect of air filled with his pheromones ?

His Iron "will"

[Arrashi]

His Iron "will"

"This room is ripe with a stench of lok'tar."

[Flurryfang]

Is anyone else sad that Yrel isn't coming back?? She said they'd be there to help us ! XD

Quote-

"Q: We helped Draenor be free of the Iron Horde and the Burning Legion. Will Draenor’s forces help us in our quest to save Azeroth?

A: Tom Chilton: No, they really are going to stay in their own timeline and be part of their own story. The fight for Azeroth will be by the citizens of Azeroth.

A: Ion Hazzikostas: As you see in the very end of the cinematic after defeating Archimonde, they have a broken world to rebuild and that’s their main project and their own struggles. "

BUT WE ALSO SAW HER SAY THEY WOULD BE THERE TO HELP LOL.

source : http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog...on-hazzikostas

Unless Blizz actually wants to remake her entire story and actually make her a good character, it is better if they leave WoD story-line to rot. They messed up their big chance to make a great, female OP character, yet she only came out as a mediocre character with next to no awesome moments.

Also letting Yrel come into our timeline, only opens up for more time bullshit and might lure Blizzard to put even more characters from WoD into our current world, which would just be bad since there is not a single good character still alive that came out of WoD.

[Manabomb]

Is anyone else sad that Yrel isn't coming back?? She said they'd be there to help us ! XD

Quote-

"Q: We helped Draenor be free of the Iron Horde and the Burning Legion. Will Draenor’s forces help us in our quest to save Azeroth?

A: Tom Chilton: No, they really are going to stay in their own timeline and be part of their own story. The fight for Azeroth will be by the citizens of Azeroth.

A: Ion Hazzikostas: As you see in the very end of the cinematic after defeating Archimonde, they have a broken world to rebuild and that’s their main project and their own struggles. "

BUT WE ALSO SAW HER SAY THEY WOULD BE THERE TO HELP LOL.

source : http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog...on-hazzikostas

Ahahahaha, AHahaha. Hahha. Hah. Called it! They are going to try their damnedest to forget WoD ever happened. They are likely going to come out with a book that involves retconning MU Guldan into full demon and have him be resurrected somewhere on Azeroth: enter Khagdar and Cordanna hunting him down, Cordanna betrays Khagdar blah blah blah blah. Legion invades weeee.

I fucking knew Warlords was going to be an expansion to forget, and now I have. Thank god.

[Flurryfang]

Ahahahaha, AHahaha. Hahha. Hah. Called it! They are going to try their damnedest to forget WoD ever happened. They are likely going to come out with a book that involves retconning MU Guldan into full demon and have him be resurrected somewhere on Azeroth: enter Khagdar and Cordanna hunting him down, Cordanna betrays Khagdar blah blah blah blah. Legion invades weeee.

I fucking knew Warlords was going to be an expansion to forget, and now I have. Thank god.

While it practicly sounds insane, it could maybe be a good thing. Having the timestream be closed and letting new things happen is actually quite good. Blizzard did not have a good loretime in WoD, but they are free to just forget the entire expansion and it would proberly be the best for Warcraft overall if they did.

[Manabomb]

While it practicly sounds insane, it could maybe be a good thing. Having the timestream be closed and letting new things happen is actually quite good. Blizzard did not have a good loretime in WoD, but they are free to just forget the entire expansion and it would proberly be the best for Warcraft overall if they did.

I think they had a good time establishing how an Iron Horde would work and a lot of Draenor pre-Legion invasion. That was -good- lore. There was a lot of -good- lore in WoD.

The problem is the -story- was so hamfisted and hogwashed that it overshadowed any decent part of the lore we were getting.

Plus all of pre-WoD Draenors lore has now been covered in chronicles.

I don't see them removing any of Draenor from the game, and more or less see them pretending it doesn't exist, just like how MU Draenor(Outland) pretends to exist now, even though it's like a rock with Shattrath on it in the current time period.

[Flurryfang]

I think they had a good time establishing how an Iron Horde would work and a lot of Draenor pre-Legion invasion. That was -good- lore. There was a lot of -good- lore in WoD.

The problem is the -story- was so hamfisted and hogwashed that it overshadowed any decent part of the lore we were getting.

Plus all of pre-WoD Draenors lore has now been covered in chronicles.

I don't see them removing any of Draenor from the game, and more or less see them pretending it doesn't exist, just like how MU Draenor(Outland) pretends to exist now, even though it's like a rock with Shattrath on it in the current time period.

The ovrall story-line, if you look away from ALL the characters, is, as you said, pretty good. The iron horde arise, we arrive to fight it, our pressence and actions actually create a much more dangerous enemy, and in the end, bad things happend despite of our good intentions.

All that is a really good story, but all the actors, the people moving this story along, sucks! They pretty much all fail the "amateur test" and that is not good for a game, which haves an entire lore team behind it.

I also don't believe they will ever erase the past, mostly because Blizzard have a hard time undoing stuff they did before, even if it is bad. I think they just live with it, just like we do

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

Yay, all the draenei lore in WoD was pointless and the real draenei are in the exact same spot they were a the end of BC, but if we ever ask the Devs about draenei lore they'll just be, "Draenei had WoD."

Fucking fantastic.

This.... so much this....


Not to mention that WOD and Legion brought so many Draenei, Tauren and Night Elf-models... will they every replace/implement those into Azeroth?

[Alvito]

They shouldn't come back. Just sweep them and all other WoD related bad ideas or half ass executed content under the rug and move on.

[Manabomb]

The ovrall story-line, if you look away from ALL the characters, is, as you said, pretty good. The iron horde arise, we arrive to fight it, our pressence and actions actually create a much more dangerous enemy, and in the end, bad things happend despite of our good intentions.

All that is a really good story, but all the actors, the people moving this story along, sucks! They pretty much all fail the "amateur test" and that is not good for a game, which haves an entire lore team behind it.

I also don't believe they will ever erase the past, mostly because Blizzard have a hard time undoing stuff they did before, even if it is bad. I think they just live with it, just like we do

You say that, but they've retconned how demons worked, retconned how Sarg originally fell to madness, retconned medan into being non-guardian.

I could easily see them backing away from WoD almost completely. Like I said, not as far as removing it (there's mogs and achievements and all sorts of shit that is in WoD that would just cease to exist), but distancing completely story-wise and lore-wise from it? That's basically assured.

It's already mostly reflected in game and by their statements in that Q and A, as well. The only characters coming from WoD were Khagdar, Cordanna and Gul'dan and even then they were more along the side story-sub plot for the legendary ring.

Edit: Which thinking about it, that legendary ring quest was the closest thing to post level cap story quests we got in WoD. I'm so glad Legion's changed that, even if it is all time gated.

[Flurryfang]

You say that, but they've retconned how demons worked, retconned how Sarg originally fell to madness, retconned medan into being non-guardian.

I could easily see them backing away from WoD almost completely. Like I said, not as far as removing it (there's mogs and achievements and all sorts of shit that is in WoD that would just cease to exist), but distancing completely story-wise and lore-wise from it? That's basically assured.

It's already mostly reflected in game and by their statements in that Q and A, as well. The only characters coming from WoD were Khagdar, Cordanna and Gul'dan and even then they were more along the side story-sub plot for the legendary ring.

Edit: Which thinking about it, that legendary ring quest was the closest thing to post level cap story quests we got in WoD. I'm so glad Legion's changed that, even if it is all time gated.

Well that is mostly something non-game storybased that they have changed. If they were to change the WoD storyline, they would have to put a disclaimer at the end of the WoD leveling experience, that you had to forget all about what had happend on Dreanor, which would be a first.

It is very clear, that Blizzard know that the WoD storyline was mostly a mistake. As you have pointed out, there are very few WoD characters who have actually made it through to Legion, and outside Khadgar who is mostly of story-telling tool instead of a real character, only gul'dan have really had important screen time. Personally, i just think that both in-game Gul'dan and Khadgar are boring characters and that it would be good to see them go aswell.

[Thetruth1400]

There was a reason we didn't go after Grom, and it wasn't because he helped us fight Archimonde.

You do realize how wrong and stupid that is right? "Hey, you're a mass murdering genocidal leader. Oh, you helped us fight another threat? Guess that makes it okay. Nah, don't worry about the race you enslaved and mass murdered, they're cool with it."

[Friendlyimmolation]

You do realize how wrong and stupid that is right? "Hey, you're a mass murdering genocidal leader. Oh, you helped us fight another threat? Guess that makes it okay. Nah, don't worry about the race you enslaved and mass murdered, they're cool with it."

you do realize instead of blathering about you could look up why the war stopped? Grom re-assumed power over the Iron Horde and the Draenei Didn't want to keep fighting. Nothing to do with the orcs fighting the demons with them.

[Verdugo]

you do realize instead of blathering about you could look up why the war stopped? Grom re-assumed power over the Iron Horde and the Draenei Didn't want to keep fighting. Nothing to do with the orcs fighting the demons with them.

Since when are we taking orders from filthy aliens.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Since when are we taking orders from filthy aliens.

since the player characters are sworn to do whatever the fuck the voice acted characters say.

[Zandalariprelate]

I still hope they would be introduced in the patch 7.3 even this can be changed, remember the meme of gromm final boss by blizzard? Well the same thing can happend here with a change of last minute

[Makorus]

You do realize how wrong and stupid that is right? "Hey, you're a mass murdering genocidal leader. Oh, you helped us fight another threat? Guess that makes it okay. Nah, don't worry about the race you enslaved and mass murdered, they're cool with it."

We didn't kill Grom because why the fuck would we?

It is LITERALLY a different universe. Grom isn't our problem. The Demons were because they were building a portal to our world. Dealing with the Iron Horde was just a means to get to Gul'dan.

[Wyrt]

We didn't kill Grom because why the fuck would we?

It is LITERALLY a different universe. Grom isn't our problem. The Demons were because they were building a portal to our world. Dealing with the Iron Horde was just a means to get to Gul'dan.

Um, the Iron Horde is the one that attacked Azeroth and started the entire expansion.

[eillas]

They shouldn't come back. Just sweep them and all other WoD related bad ideas or half ass executed content under the rug and move on.

There were plenty of good ideas. Rangari, crystals draenei uses, Yrel. Soulpriests.