7.25 BM "rotation"

[aikanaro]

So, for those of us who have not had the pleasure of being blessed by dangerous and receiving the shoulders, can someone tell us how to most effectively use 2 charges of dire frenzy? Specially now that focus capping from the instant generation won't be as much of an issue.

[RaZz0r]

Nothing really changes in terms of rotation with or without the shoulders.
You only delay the second charge of DF for when your first DF is starting to run out to refresh its duration / stack.
To keep it at 2-3 stacks for as long as possible all the shoulders do is make that a lot less of a pain.

Tho keep in mind the 2 stack of DF/DB is not the only change coming to 7.2.5 so we wont really know how it will play until it hits live servers.
As there might be additional changes done to the the spec who knows they might revert the 2 stacks base line once again.
We really wont know until it hits live servers so all we can do is wait and see.

[Deleted]

2 stacks is more a quality of life thing, helps you keep away from missing DF procs. The only real changes are as mentioned above, delay the second stack a bit to keep as high DF stacks as possible through Aspect on the opener, and if you can it's always good to have one banked and one just coming off CD when Aspect come off CD, but that's not always possible.

[aikanaro]

Ok, but when it drops do you wait til you have 2 again? Or do you just use it on cd?

[S7orm]

They're changing the proc to decrese the cooldown by 3 secs instead of a complete charge (increasing the proc chance), so ideally you'd want to use Dire Frenzy to refresh the buff or avoid wasting procs (don't drop below 4.5 sec cooldown)

[Krozard]

They're changing the proc to decrese the cooldown by 3 secs instead of a complete charge (increasing the proc chance), so ideally you'd want to use Dire Frenzy to refresh the buff or avoid wasting procs (don't drop below 4.5 sec cooldown)

I thought they announced they decided against that and it would be left at a full reset at 20% chance

[S7orm]

I thought they announced they decided against that and it would be left at a full reset at 20% chance

I missed that info then. If they canned that change then it's just about getting the most out of Dire Frenzy stacks

[Blada]

I missed that info then. If they canned that change then it's just about getting the most out of Dire Frenzy stacks

"Hi Beast Masters. We’ve been reading your feedback and trying different sets of changes for Beast Mastery Hunters internally and on PTR.

To start, we are reverting all 7.2.5 changes we’ve made so far to how Wild Call triggers. Instead, Dire Beast and Dire Frenzy will have 2 charges baseline. The Mantle of Command (legendary shoulders that currently add +1 charge to Dire Beast/Dire Frenzy) will be changed to instead further increase the proc chance of Wild Call.

Overall, this will result in more Focus for all Beast Mastery Hunters, resulting in a more active rotation. Additionally, this gives all Beast Mastery Hunters access to a Dire Beast/Dire Frenzy with 2 charges playstyle that is more engaging and fun, allowing you to make decisions on when to use the buttons, instead of feeling like you should most often simply push them on cooldown.

We’ve been trying other iterations of changes surrounding Dire Beast/Dire Frenzy and Wild Call, including increasing Dire Beast/Dire Frenzy Focus generation or versions that avoided changing the legendary shoulders drastically, but ultimately reached the conclusion that giving 2 charges to the abilities baseline, which many of you have asked for, was the best change for the spec at the current time. We appreciate your patience while we try different iterations on PTR.

We are also making a few other less major changes to the spec in the next PTR patch, including:
Aspect of the Wild will reduce the global cooldowns of your damaging abilities by 0.2 seconds, allowing you to more reliably spend the Focus you’re generating while it's active, especially with Dire Beast/Dire Frenzy going off.
Kill Command and Dire Frenzy will cause your pet/Hati to charge up to 40 yds (up from 25 yds) to the target, matching the max range of your ranged abilities.
When your pet casts Dash, Hati will also gain Dash for the same duration.
"

[Deleted]

Ok, but when it drops do you wait til you have 2 again? Or do you just use it on cd?

This is the currently the toughest thing in our rotation. When you are about to see it drop what do you do? Do you use as many cds as possible to triger a crit and eventually a charge? And once it drops how do you recover? I think the choice you make here is probabilistic. For example you might use your first charge immediately, and run out again, or you can rng proc and recover completely... or if you dont want to risk you can hold on to it for a second charge, and for this cause you might also need to think here what you are going to do with your BW, you hold it until the 2 charges for example? I myself dont know what is the correct/safest way to recover back to the 3 stacks, and this is what has been troubling me ever since i got the shoulders, I also dont think anyone knows for sure but i still would like to hear ppls opinion on this.

[Ettan]

Stagger your dire beasts, with one stack remaining do not use it until the buff is 8 or 9/10ths done (obviously this varies with haste/procs/buffs).
It will not be possible for you (without good rng) to maintain 3 stacks outside of lust if your haste levels are low. (Bti trinket is superb for this talent).
With decent haste (varies, bti and its ilvl affects it)-> you can keep it up throughout the fight.

Naturally fire off a stack if you hit 2 charges / get a proc that takes you to two.
Use this weak aura;

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Sometimes you lose the buff, just try keep to the code. And the buff will stack up again in no time. If you derp and pop your last remaining stack very close to the previous one; you either have to wait after / get lucky procs or you simply wont reach 3 again.
The hardest part I find is not derping with that last bit.

[2drunk2funk]

I have a WA for a small vertical bar showing Dire Frenzy stack and CD, rather than icon version given above

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My cluster WA for BM showing procs/times/CDs

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[Felthorn]

Ok, but when it drops do you wait til you have 2 again? Or do you just use it on cd?

If my 3 stack has dropped, I'll typically wait to use it again until I have 8 seconds or less remaining on the CD so I can hopefully get to a 2 stack and cross fingers for a proc or two while that resolves. If I'm low on focus (can't KC) I'll use it right away. Not sure that's exactly correct, bit that's what "feels" right to me.