Is the Horde weaker than the Alliance?

[Coffeexbean]

No what a silly question to even think about.. the Horde would beat the shit outta those Disney folk anyday

[Deleted]

Blizzard didn't buff the fuck out of my favourite faction, wahhh. It's bad writing because it affects me the most wahhh.

You idiots that instantly call everything bad writing need to shut the fuck up lol. Just because shit isn't going with your headcanons, or because your favourite characters/factions/etc isn't the most powerful thing ever with the most spotlight, it doesn't mean it's bad writing.
Illidan's return on the otherhand... That's bad. Beyond bad, even. Or WoD's ending. That's almost as bad as Illidan.

Know the difference between bad, and not being catered to.

Lol, this is the most ridiculous trigger response I've ever read.

Based on my post, what faction would you say I play then? I criticize 'em both sooooo....

It's bad writing because it's lame, stale, full of neglect, predictable and with a lack of focus on any narrative.

No faction or story is being catered to ever, because it always gets dropped halfway through.

Get your bs sorted.

[Argarock]

The Horde were always seen as the underdogs but has the gap between the Horde and the Alliance grown so large that the Horde has little chance of winning an all out war?

Siege of Orgrimmar took a heavy toll on the Horde and especially the orcs, the former backbone of the Horde.
The Blood Elves' loyalties aren't what they used to be.
The trolls lost their only real leader.
The Forsaken, while a powerful faction, are doomed to stagnation and inevitable decay thanks to Genn.

Does the Horde have any hope should they become enemies with the Alliance once again?

no, since the fall of orgrimmar the horde have been staying alive on the alliances' mercy.
It's frankly ridiculous that the 2 factions are played of as nearly equals in-game.

Orgrimmar was ground zero for a medium sized war,
the trolls have lost their leader
the orcs have no real leader
the forsaken have yet again lost the ability to replenish their ranks

Stormwind is the biggest city in the world, by a wide margin
Ironforge is the only city in the world that has never been breached by any enemy.
and most importantly of all, the alliance is unified. and while there's doubt about anduins leadership skills, there doesn't appear to be any dissent.

[Trassk]

Currently the horde is weaker. it has 7 races, but only 6 active leaders for them, and one of those leaders not even really being made clear his position just being a Representative.

The alliance lost one of its strongest leaders, but it still had a representative king as its leader, and one of its factions has three leaders as a council.

The current leader of the horde is a deranged psychopath with only self interest, The alliance, while him not really being the leader of the alliance as much as his father, is as least sane.

[Aquamonkey]

Wrathion was backing the Horde to conquer the Alliance until Garrosh turned Horde against itself.

[Aucald]

Not really post SoO as word of god pretty much stated put the Alliance in the position of military dominance. The super power. Right now the Alliance are likely at NATO levels of power, while the Horde is Russia levels. Strong enough, can cause a lot of damage. But going toe to toe with the Alliance just isn't something they can do.

I don't recall seeing that as any kind of canonical description of the Horde and Alliance military strengths. If anything I would think the Horde was actually more powerful during MoP (and Wrathion seemed to agree with the assessment) - having essentially won the Kalimdor campaign in Theramore's destruction, destabilizing Alliance interests on the continent and gearing up for an even stronger army by using the Heart of Y'Shaarj to empower his troops and gaining the allegiance of the Paragons of the Klaxxi. Garrosh's defeat and Vol'jin's insurrection basically put the Horde back at military parity with the Alliance - which is the ideal place for the game to be at the end of any particular story-arc.

[Friendlyimmolation]

no, since the fall of orgrimmar the horde have been staying alive on the alliances' mercy.
It's frankly ridiculous that the 2 factions are played of as nearly equals in-game.

Orgrimmar was ground zero for a medium sized war,
the trolls have lost their leader
the orcs have no real leader
the forsaken have yet again lost the ability to replenish their ranks

Stormwind is the biggest city in the world, by a wide margin
Ironforge is the only city in the world that has never been breached by any enemy.
and most importantly of all, the alliance is unified. and while there's doubt about anduins leadership skills, there doesn't appear to be any dissent.

The forsaken still have Val'kyr...

[Shizari]

The forsaken still have Val'kyr...

a now limited supply of them though. And with Helya dead, there's really no way for her to get more.

Blizzard is planning something for the Forsaken, we just don't know what yet.

Hopefully it involvies Sylvie dying or getting returned to real life or some such bullcrap

[Friendlyimmolation]

a now limited supply of them though. And with Helya dead, there's really no way for her to get more.

Blizzard is planning something for the Forsaken, we just don't know what yet.

Hopefully it involvies Sylvie dying or getting returned to real life or some such bullcrap

Then the awkward love triangle between Sylvanas, Liadrin and Lorthemar can commence.

[Tyrion Moonblade]

Have you played WoW the last 12 years? I think not. Your posts on technology are easily dismissed. You're heavily wrong. The Horde has had a great evolution technology wise, while it's easy to say that the Alliance has stagnated at the same tech level for 10 years.

So your response is effectively "NUH UH!!!!"?

Ok then.

[Kallisto]

Then the awkward love triangle between Sylvanas, Liadrin and Lorthemar can commence.

While awkward it keeps a windrunner away from a human, so a win it is right?

[Friendlyimmolation]

While awkward it keeps a windrunner away from a human, so a win it is right?

This is true.

[Schattenlied]

It wasnt her action what made genns son killed.

Yes lets just forget the fact that she invaded their fucking kingdom unprovoked for no reason at all.

She isn't innocent.

[Raetary]

Yes lets just forget the fact that she invaded their fucking kingdom unprovoked for no reason at all.

She isn't innocent.

sylvanas was forced to invade by garrosh.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Yes lets just forget the fact that she invaded their fucking kingdom unprovoked for no reason at all.

She isn't innocent.

It really is amazing how awful some people are at actually reading up on lore. Garrosh force her to invade.

[Deleted]

Dwarves and humans didn't give a fuck about eachother untill the Second War, 30-ish years ago. Nor Night Elves and the Alliance, a little over 10 years ago. Nor the Alliance and Draenei, roughly 10 years ago. Or the Gilneans after they abandoned the Alliance.

"Well established civilisations with a history together." - Someone pretending to know his lore.

haha i mean you are not wrong. Most human kingsoms have fallen. gilneas said "screw you guys i am going home" as they walled themself in, in the 2nd war. Lordrean got Zombified. Stormrage is a ruin. The only Real human kingdom that is left is Stormwind.

beside that, it is true, dwarves and humans had very little to do with each other before the 2nd war. BUT that does still leave them 40 ish year of fairly well communicaiton and allies.

The elves joinen the Alliance after the 3rd war, but was at that time orcs joined up with taurens and Trolls, Maybe a year later or so the Forsaken joinen them. The Blood elves only joined the Hordes For Night elves was douchbags towards them, so not really a unitety of "love" but nessesity.

But yeah OT: the Horde is Very weakend. A large part of the orcs Joined Garrosh and so died. same with trolls, what casulies they have taken, they have always only been a small faction of trolls. Taurens In warcraft 3, was almost wiped out by centaures, and a fair bit is with the "rebel" so also weaken their numbers.
Blood elves are VERY low on people as, most got butchred in the 3 war. And the Forsaken are now getting stale. so yeah. The alliance got more "force" right now.

[Schattenlied]

It really is amazing how awful some people are at actually reading up on lore. Garrosh force her to invade.

He also told her not to use the plague, how did that work out again?

Oh, right, she used the fucking plague.

[Friendlyimmolation]

He also told her not to use the plague, how did that work out again?

Oh, right, she used the fucking plague.

Do you know why? Because Garrosh wanted the Forsaken to die. Guess what he wanted more? Gilnaes. In the end he gave two shits what the forsaken did as long as they gave him Gilnaes.

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haha i mean you are not wrong. Most human kingsoms have fallen. gilneas said "screw you guys i am going home" as they walled themself in, in the 2nd war. Lordrean got Zombified. Stormrage is a ruin. The only Real human kingdom that is left is Stormwind.

beside that, it is true, dwarves and humans had very little to do with each other before the 2nd war. BUT that does still leave them 40 ish year of fairly well communicaiton and allies.

The elves joinen the Alliance after the 3rd war, but was at that time orcs joined up with taurens and Trolls, Maybe a year later or so the Forsaken joinen them. The Blood elves only joined the Hordes For Night elves was douchbags towards them, so not really a unitety of "love" but nessesity.

But yeah OT: the Horde is Very weakend. A large part of the orcs Joined Garrosh and so died. same with trolls, what casulies they have taken, they have always only been a small faction of trolls. Taurens In warcraft 3, was almost wiped out by centaures, and a fair bit is with the "rebel" so also weaken their numbers.
Blood elves are VERY low on people as, most got butchred in the 3 war. And the Forsaken are now getting stale. so yeah. The alliance got more "force" right now.

This is incorrect. The majority of the orcs were against Garrosh. His bulk of his forces were from Blackrock, not Orgrimmar.

[Schattenlied]

Do you know why? Because Garrosh wanted the Forsaken to die. Guess what he wanted more? Gilnaes. In the end he gave two shits what the forsaken did as long as they gave him Gilnaes.

Know what a reasonable person does when a genocidal psychopath leader wants to murder your people and send them to their deaths? You turn on them.

Do you know what would have happened if dear ol Sylvie went to Gilneas with her army, and instead of invading told Genn the Orcs were going to invade Gilneas and kill them all, and that she was there to help Gilneas? She could have had the leverage to ally herself with Gilneas, and stood against the Orcs together. Know what would have happened then? Dead Orcs, dead Garrosh, that's what.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Know what a reasonable person does when a genocidal psychopath leader wants to murder your people and send them to their deaths? You turn on them.

because getting wiped out by a Horde that would either kill them or draw the Alliance to them is a good idea.

Do you know what would have happened if dear ol Sylvie went to Gilneas with her army, and instead of invading told Genn the Orcs were going to kill them all, allied herself with Genn, and stood against the orcs together? Dead Orcs, dead Garrosh, that's what.

the same incoherent fanwank that M-Ra spasms about. Genn Would never ally with Sylvanas and vice versa. Genn wouldn't let humans into Gilnaes, for some strange reason that I just can't put my finger on, I can't picture Genn ever working with undead. Interesting.