House GOP Passed Trumpcare on Thursday

[Jtbrig7390]

Why does everyone automatically assume ppl are going to die. Isnt that an extreme?

What happen's to people who need meds to live and can't get said meds anymore due to there insurance being removed......

[darkwarrior42]

that's because you think people prefer going bankrupt over a broken collar bone. or being denied health insurance for being raped, yeah I'm sure the dems have a lot to worry about.

See, the problem is, Obamacare potentially costs people money. Trumpcare potentially costs lives. If it comes down to lives vs. money, do you really think that modern republicans will chose lives? Especially if there's a chance they can spin those lives as being poor or minority groups, whose unfortunate situation is obviously their own fault?

[Toppy]

Why does everyone automatically assume ppl are going to die. Isnt that an extreme?

This is healthcare.

So no, its not an extreme. At all.

[Sky High]

Do you not realize that the reason many of these people are in such terrible squalid conditions, is that they've been voting against their best interests for decades now?

They don't vote based on what policies will help or hurt them. They vote based on which candidate can say Jesus louder and/or which candidate they think is most like them.

or just playing for "their team". a prefect demonstration of that is Trump/Obama on Syria; 22% of republicans approved of Obama going into Syria, 86% approve of Trump going into Syria. /shrugs abound

[GreenJesus]

You guys are ignoring the people that benefit. Households that make more than 48,000 will benefit... 48000 is not a lot of money.. that is 24k each.. Old people deserve higher cost sorry. When you are visiting the doctor every other week and paying for cancer meds your health costs should be more than a millenial that goes to a checkup once a year. Also, employers of small-medium businesses benefit because there is no mandate to provide insurance.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Do you not realize that the reason many of these people are in such terrible squalid conditions, is that they've been voting against their best interests for decades now?

They don't vote based on what policies will help or hurt them. They vote based on which candidate can say Jesus louder and/or which candidate they think is most like them.

How to become President in the US; Say "God Bless America" until you're blue in the face and people believe that you mean it.

[Halicia]

You guys are ignoring the people that benefit. Households that make more than 48,000 will benefit...

until...... they get sick and no longer have insurance.

[Lenonis]

Got anything to back up this claim?

Common sense? I mean, let's take a second here... I get people think Trump is a moron and really dislike him. But the reality is he's been involved in politics for a while and has been president for over 100 days. To claim, at this point, that he honestly doesn't know that a bill has to pass both the house and the senate before it goes to him for signature is really stretching it.

I mean, c'mon. That's just not realistic, no matter how dumb you think the guy is.

[Jtbrig7390]

You guys are ignoring the people that benefit. Households that make more than 48,000 will benefit... 48000 is not a lot of money.. that is 24k each.. Old people deserve higher cost sorry. When you are visiting the doctor every other week and paying for cancer meds your health costs should be more than a millenial that goes to a checkup once a year. Also, employers of small-medium businesses benefit because there is no mandate to provide insurance.

You know you could have just said...Fuck Old People and leave it at that. The small rant wasn't needed.

[Queen of Hamsters]

You guys are ignoring the people that benefit. Households that make more than 48,000 will benefit... 48000 is not a lot of money.. that is 24k each.. Old people deserve higher cost sorry. When you are visiting the doctor every other week and paying for cancer meds your health costs should be more than a millenial that goes to a checkup once a year. Also, employers of small-medium businesses benefit because there is no mandate to provide insurance.

Millenials get cancer too. You're a perfect showcase of someone without a clue yet having an opinion filled with edge.
Also, millenials age as well.

[Lenonis]

If a patient of mine dies I'll have to explain to a board why he died, and make a case that rules out any error on my side. (Not always, of course. Depends on the autopsy.) Even though the sickness killed him, my neglect or error will still result in me recieving the blame (if it was presentable.)

Well, it depends on the sickness, of course. But there are plenty of injuries and maladies that are fatal, but treatable. If the death results due to an inability to pay for a medication you recieved befor that, because a law made access to said medication unavailable... But yeah, it's a very long shot, at best.

And, imho, politicians should be held 100% responsible for any law they pass. Would result in more balanced laws, I'd assume. I'm strongly opposed to the death penalty, but if, as in this case, the greed of a few leads to the death of many I'd put them up a wall. Lowest form of scum as far as I am concerned.

I get that -- but you'd have to prove direct correlation between the politician's act and the patient's death. Given everything that happens in between that's really impossible.

[Shadowmelded]

So people with mental illnesses can buy guns but sick people are deprived of healthcare. Sounds like a third world country to me.

[Jtbrig7390]

Common sense? I mean, let's take a second here... I get people think Trump is a moron and really dislike him. But the reality is he's been involved in politics for a while and has been president for over 100 days. To claim, at this point, that he honestly doesn't know that a bill has to pass both the house and the senate before it goes to him for signature is really stretching it.

I mean, c'mon. That's just not realistic, no matter how dumb you think the guy is.

Hes been president for 105 days, But how many day's has he really been a president......

The man has already proven he doesn't know how our system works, look at his rants about the federal judges who stopped his EO as a example.

[purebalance]

Bro change your avatar. Your one-dimensional posting personality is getting muddled.



Anyway, the GOP scrape together an electoral college victory and are so completely eager to burn it all down around them that they're going ahead with this shit?


But no, "Hillary's emails." Those were totally worse than 24 million people losing health insurance.

How many gained it from Obamacare? If it was more than 24 million then this is not catastrophic. When you have people on health insurance coming to get seen by the doctor and we ask "How long have you had this cough?" "Oh since this morning", not everyone needs health insurance because they are wasting money for everyone. They would not have gotten seen for useless things if they had to pay a few hundred dollars for the visit.

[Halicia]

See, the problem is, Obamacare potentially costs people money. Trumpcare potentially costs lives.

I'd remove the potentially from that sentence.

When you're cutting people from healthcare because they're diagnosed with cancer or another terminal disease, that DOES cost them their life.

[Stormspark]

How to become President in the US; Say "God Bless America" until you're blue in the face and people believe that you mean it.

That man was a genius.

[purebalance]

So people with mental illnesses can buy guns but sick people are deprived of healthcare. Sounds like a third world country to me.

Those two ideas don't even link up, but you're so edgy and cool for your statement that like-minded people will say omg you're so right.

[alexw]

So it wasn't even the Tepublicans singing. It was the Democrats, thinking they'll somehow win the midterms for the house in 2018. I guess they still haven't learned how districting works and why living in enclaves is a bad idea.

That only helps the republican congressional members so much. When they do as they just did and aim a nuclear missile at their own voter base it won't save them. This bill strips nearly $1 trillion from medicare who's usage is dominated by republican voting seniors, and hundreds of billions from Obamacare subsidies which provide the greatest help to middle aged moderate income white Americans. It doesn't take a genius to realize that this bill is utterly toxic to the republican voter demographics. Its why only ~25% of voters aged 50-64% support it and only ~40% of republicans in total.

Its impossible to say for sure but there's a pretty high likelihood they just handed the house to democrats with their votes.

[purebalance]

I'd remove the potentially from that sentence.

When you're cutting people from healthcare because they're diagnosed with cancer or another terminal disease, that DOES cost them their life.

Most of the people if not nearly all of the people that would lose it are not diagnosed with cancer.

[Blur4stuff]

And just like that, the bill is dead. Senate republicans are going to start from scratch and create their own bill instead of voting on the one that just passed the house.

Also it looks like they are willing to completely ditch the filibuster and shoot for something that just needs 51 or 50/tiebreaker to pass.

It's less likely, but conceivable that republicans could successfully fuck over the country.